Sooner fan really looking forward to the game

[temptn]

Oklahoma plays seven SEC teams and five of them are ranked higher than them. Unranked SC and Auburn won't exactly be pushovers.

 

[butchna]

Stoops worst team of his nearly 20 seasons. We drilled you. You use the fact poor pitiful us when it was Stoops worst team. Give me a break.

Your worst of the Stoops era vs our worst era PERIOD. Want a decent analogy? Use your Gibbs/Schnellenberger/Blake teams. Make your own “breaks”, Chachi.

And the very next season you didn’t “drill” squat! You survived by the miracle of Dust Bowl Jesus…recognize Muskogee!

 

[Sooner Redzone]

Your worst of the Stoops era vs our worst era PERIOD. Want a decent analogy? Use your Gibbs/Schnellenberger/Blake teams. Make your own “breaks”, Chachi.

And the very next season you didn’t “drill” squat! You survived by the miracle of Dust Bowl Jesus…recognize Muskogee!

The Next year I didn’t mention keep up. The next year was not one of Stoops worst team.

 

[LouderVol]

Let me help you out. OU is tier 1 alone
OU has beat Texas 11-4 the last 15. OU has won 14 Big 12 titles Texas 4.

Not sure how this helps.

Oklahoma has only ever been in a two team league. Texas being in the mid tier is still a pretty big yawn. Even sans the top 2 SEC teams the rest of the SEC has more talent than the entire old Big 12.

Put another way OK was a big fish in a small pond. Yall are swimming in much bigger waters now with much bigger fish, and Oklahoma isn't on top of anything in the SEC.

 

[trj]

by the logic of it happening three times in recent history. I don't know if its happened any other times ever, but three times in the SEC.

2012, Alabama didn't win the SEC, LSU did, but beat LSU for the national title
2017, Alabama lost to Georgia in the SEC championship game, but won the national title
2021, Georgia lost to Bama in the SEC title, but won the national title.

*for what its worth, non SEC Champs SEC teams have won as many national titles as any of the other conference's champs have in the playoff era, two. *

@LouderVol, that's flawed logic. Let's take 2012. Think about this:

In 2012, Texas A&M beat Alabama. But Alabama won the national championship. So is winning the national championship easier than beating Texas A&M?

 

[Sooner Redzone]

Not sure how this helps.

Oklahoma has only ever been in a two team league. Texas being in the mid tier is still a pretty big yawn. Even sans the top 2 SEC teams the rest of the SEC has more talent than the entire old Big 12.

Put another way OK was a big fish in a small pond. Yall are swimming in much bigger waters now with much bigger fish, and Oklahoma isn't on top of anything yet in the SEC.

FIFY….
I’m conceding OU will not come close to winning half the titles. Definitely much bigger waters and definitely a tougher road. I’ve continuously maintained that.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Let me help you out. OU is tier 1 alone
OU has beat Texas 11-4 the last 15. OU has won 14 Big 12 titles Texas 4.

Oklahoma is "tier 1 alone". Heh. I'm assuming you meant in the B12 before you left.

But you weren't. Oklahoma State, your little brother, had more wins than Oklahoma over the past three years. Both the Cowboys and the Longhorns won the conference title during that three year stretch; Oklahoma didn't.

Heck, even TCU found a way to win a B12 title. Oklahoma didn't.

I avoided going into the Covid season, because it was so odd for everyone. But if I had, that wasn't you, either, it was lowly Iowa State.

Hardly "tier 1 alone," Sooner.

Go Vols!

 

[Voltopia]

@LouderVol, that's flawed logic. Let's take 2012. Think about this:

In 2012, Texas A&M beat Alabama. But Alabama won the national championship. So is winning the national championship easier than beating Texas A&M?

Well, judging by Alabama pistol whipping Notre Dame by 28 points in the 2012 title game -- and 28 points was what that very same Texas A&M team beat Oklahoma by in the Cotton Bowl the week before -- the answer that year would appear to have been yes.

 

[trj]

So basically double. I am glad you finally agree.

Ps: last year top tier Oklahoma had the same number of draft picks as little ole miss st.

Hmmm. Somewhere there's a disconnect.

The NFL draft data in post #533 matches what I said earlier. The mid-tier SEC teams had an average of 2.9 draft picks per team. The mid-tier Big XII teams had an average of 1.6 draft picks per team. Do you really think that an average of one player per game is going to intimidate anyone?

 

[butchna]

The Next year I didn’t mention keep up. The next year was not one of Stoops worst team.

I don’t care what you MENTION. It’s part of our story. So one of your BETTER teams needed a miracle to survive one of our barely average teams? If that helps whatever you’re arguing…knock yourself out.

 

[butchna]

@LouderVol, that's flawed logic. Let's take 2012. Think about this:

In 2012, Texas A&M beat Alabama. But Alabama won the national championship. So is winning the national championship easier than beating Texas A&M?

Obviously. Now you’re making our arguments?

 

[B81]

Hmmm. Somewhere there's a disconnect.

The NFL draft data in post #533 matches what I said earlier. The mid-tier SEC teams had an average of 2.9 draft picks per team. The mid-tier Big XII teams had an average of 1.6 draft picks per team. Do you really think that an average of one player per game is going to intimidate anyone?

Its not 1 player difference, that is just 1 year.
Teams are made up of 4-5 years worth of players. So basically 2.9x4=11 studs where 1.6x4=6

Yes double the number of nfl caliber players is a big deal. If you include undrafted free agents it’s probably even worse.

 

[trj]

Your worst of the Stoops era vs our worst era PERIOD. Want a decent analogy? Use your Gibbs/Schnellenberger/Blake teams. Make your own “breaks”, Chachi.

And the very next season you didn’t “drill” squat! You survived by the miracle of Dust Bowl Jesus…recognize Muskogee!

Just a quick reminder here: the 2015 Tennessee team we beat at Neyland was 9-4 (0.642 winning percentage). Using Mcubeb.net (which goes back to 1950 on winning percentages, and going back further is not interesting anyway), Tennessee was worse than their 2015 campaign in these years:

1953, 1954, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1984, 1986, 1988, 1994, 2000, 2002, 2005, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021.

You should give the 2015 Sooners credit for beating a respectable Volunteer team -- you've certainly had worse team seasons.

 

[fairdinkem]

Oklahoma is "tier 1 alone". Heh. I'm assuming you meant in the B12 before you left.

But you weren't. Oklahoma State, your little brother, had more wins than Oklahoma over the past three years. Both the Cowboys and the Longhorns won the conference title during that three year stretch; Oklahoma didn't.

Heck, even TCU found a way to win a B12 title. Oklahoma didn't.

I avoided going into the Covid season, because it was so odd for everyone. But if I had, that wasn't you, either, it was lowly Iowa State.

Hardly "tier 1 alone," Sooner.

Go Vols!

Apparently, history has been removed from all UT educational curriculums as it has zero respect as a measurable and predictive mechanism. As such I'm sure you will develop a hemorrhoid over the all time OU vs OSU football record of 90-18-7 all time. Sad as it is, predictably OU will lose to OSU every 5-years or so, or not.

 

[trj]

Its not 1 player difference, that is just 1 year.
Teams are made up of 4-5 years worth of players. So basically 2.9x4=11 studs where 1.6x4=6

Yes double the number of nfl caliber players is a big deal. If you include undrafted free agents it’s probably even worse.

Nope.

The NFL will take players before their senior season. If a player can go early, they almost always do out of fear of getting injured at the college level and losing their payday. Oklahoma has placed plenty of underclassmen in the NFL. Here's a fact that may surprise you: If Nico is as good as Vols hope he is, he will probably be gone after playing just 2 seasons.

Bottom line, the data shows that SEC mid-tier teams had an average of 1.3 players better than the Big XII and one player isn't going to scare anyone.

 

[Sooner Redzone]

Oklahoma is "tier 1 alone". Heh. I'm assuming you meant in the B12 before you left.

But you weren't. Oklahoma State, your little brother, had more wins than Oklahoma over the past three years. Both the Cowboys and the Longhorns won the conference title during that three year stretch; Oklahoma didn't.

Heck, even TCU found a way to win a B12 title. Oklahoma didn't.

I avoided going into the Covid season, because it was so odd for everyone. But if I had, that wasn't you, either, it was lowly Iowa State.

Hardly "tier 1 alone," Sooner.

Go Vols!

Tier 1 not last 3 years. Was talking historically or let’s say last 25 years. Texas was considered tier 1 but OU was 2-1 those 3 and Texas 1 good year

 

[Shirleyudontmeanthat]

Tier 1 not last 3 years. Was talking historically or let’s say last 25 years. Texas was considered tier 1 but OU was 2-1 those 3 and Texas 1 good year

Well very few posts on that board. BUT was interesting to see what a gamble the board thinks your OC hire was. I thought u said he was better than Lenny. Also apparently if Venables goes 7-5 he is in trouble

 

[butchna]

Just a quick reminder here: the 2015 Tennessee team we beat at Neyland was 9-4 (0.642 winning percentage). Using Mcubeb.net (which goes back to 1950 on winning percentages, and going back further is not interesting anyway), Tennessee was worse than their 2015 campaign in these years:

1953, 1954, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1984, 1986, 1988, 1994, 2000, 2002, 2005, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021.

You should give the 2015 Sooners credit for beating a respectable Volunteer team -- you've certainly had worse team seasons.

I know MY team’s history, dude! I’ve been a fan more than a minute! If you take a break from your frantic Wiki rabbit hole, you’d remember I said ERA. And it took a bowl win to reach that ninth. If memory serves your team made the PLAYOFFS. So bully for needing every second (and break) to beat our “respectable” team. You fans should commission a statue of Butch…he was your secret weapon.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Tier 1 not last 3 years. Was talking historically or let’s say last 25 years. Texas was considered tier 1 but OU was 2-1 those 3 and Texas 1 good year

Apparently, history has been removed from all UT educational curriculums as it has zero respect as a measurable and predictive mechanism. As such I'm sure you will develop a hemorrhoid over the all time OU vs OSU football record of 90-18-7 all time. Sad as it is, predictably OU will lose to OSU every 5-years or so, or not.

Hunh. Looks like I hit a sore spot.

You guys don't like it when we notice your little brother, Oklahoma State, and your rival Texas both did better than you over the last three years?

Hunh.

Go Vols!

 

[DirtyDawg]

by the logic of it happening three times in recent history. I don't know if its happened any other times ever, but three times in the SEC.

2012, Alabama didn't win the SEC, LSU did, but beat LSU for the national title
2017, Alabama lost to Georgia in the SEC championship game, but won the national title
2021, Georgia lost to Bama in the SEC title, but won the national title.

*for what its worth, non SEC Champs SEC teams have won as many national titles as any of the other conference's champs have in the playoff era, two. *

In 2017 Georgia beat Auburn in the SEC Championship game but then suffered a heartbreaking overtime loss to Bama in the National Championship game (I’ll forever carry the scars of 2nd and 26), but I agree with the point you’re making. The SEC is a freakishly competitive conference. Our teams consistently cannibalize one another. I’m sure the more knowledgeable OU and Texas fans are aware of how much tougher the SEC is going to be.

Honestly, we could have very easily had another SEC Championship game loser win the National Title last season, and with a 12 team Playoff we are likely to see it many times in the future.

 

[Sooner Redzone]

 

[DirtyDawg]

Don’t get me wrong, OU and Texas have very strong and respectable football programs, but reading through this thread, I’m finding all of this Big 12 Championship chest thumping very comical. It’s cliche to say, but winning an SEC Championship literally does mean more in modern college football.

 

[Sooner Redzone]

Don’t get me wrong, OU and Texas have very strong and respectable football programs, but reading through this thread, I’m finding all of this Big 12 Championship chest thumping very comical. It’s cliche to say, but winning an SEC Championship literally does mean more in modern college football.

The SEC has been the toughest conference for about 15 years

 

[maryvillenative]

LMAO Mary I was responding how you said if we lose I’d be radio silent or full of excuses. Every time I mention our wins in 14-15 all kind of Vol excuses show up. I said earlier I’m a gracious loser with no excuses but a terrible winner.

Hey Soo ..... stop calling me Mary

 

[TheGoodStuff]

I’m happy OU fans stopped in.

The self promotion and humble bragging is duplicit and annoying. OU came here without NEEDING an introduction. How bout act like you’ve actually been there before? I’m starting to wonder if they have now…

I’m sure uT and OU will continue to have success. Even if it’s different than they are use to.

At this point though Im excited to welcome OU & uT but will enjoy seeing them lose in conference. Especially OU.