Star Wars: Rogue One

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#276
So why were there only two Star Destroyers guarding the gate? Why the hell didn't they open fire upon the Hammerhead when it was closing in to ram? They could have eviscerated it. Look at what the Devastator did when it dropped out of hyperspace? Sure, the space combat was beautiful and what not, but the overall battle was retarded.
 
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#277
Have you ever wondered what Chris Tucker's character from The Fifth Element would look like when he got old?

Well, Forest Whitaker
 
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#278
The star destroyer that was rammed had no power. The hammerhead was screened off from the functioning star destroyer by the disabled vessel. If anything didn't make sense to me it was the x-wings punching through at'at armor like it was tin foil. I guess the armor got a lot better by the time of the Battle for Hoth.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Agreed 100%.

I'll defend George Lucas in one aspect regarding the prequels. For as bad as the prequels are (and yes, they're bad ), at least Lucas made the movies HE wanted to make. He didn't make the prequel films solely based on what he thought fans wanted to see. He had a specific vision and, no matter how popular/unpopular, he carried out that vision. I actually respect that and it makes me respect his films. I think there are a lot of really good ideas in the prequels. I liked the political intrigue, I liked the idea of Palpatine manipulating his way to power, the secret creation of a clone army, etc. It just wasn't properly executed. This is further proven by how enjoyable the Clone Wars animated series was. It was infinitely superior to the films, yet it dealt with the same themes/ideas as the films.

TFA, while entertaining, looks like a film that was put together in a boardroom somewhere by committee. It feels like Disney execs sat down with JJ Abrams and said "Ok, what do Star Wars fans want/expect to see?" Instead of having a vision and telling a specific story, TFA feels like a giant apology to SW nerds for the prequels. I have a feeling that TFA will become one of the most forgettable films in the saga. Part of it's problem is that when it came out, all fans wanted was for it not to be as bad as the prequels, which it wasn't but that is such a low bar to set, the movie really didn't have to do a lot to clear it.
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So the prequels were Dooley and TFA is Butch.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
TFA, while entertaining, looks like a film that was put together in a boardroom somewhere by committee. It feels like Disney execs sat down with JJ Abrams and said "Ok, what do Star Wars fans want/expect to see?" Instead of having a vision and telling a specific story, TFA feels like a giant apology to SW nerds for the prequels. I have a feeling that TFA will become one of the most forgettable films in the saga. Part of it's problem is that when it came out, all fans wanted was for it not to be as bad as the prequels, which it wasn't but that is such a low bar to set, the movie really didn't have to do a lot to clear it.
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This will be Star Wars under Disney/Kennedy. Probably nothing terribad, but nothing really memorable or of substance either. Just lots of fan service.
 
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Volwark said:
This will be Star Wars under Disney/Kennedy. Probably nothing terribad, but nothing really memorable or of substance either. Just lots of fan service.
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I hate the term fan service. Who in the hell wants to watch a long running, epic story that is all about hope and bravery overcoming incredible odds...Just to see them all lose and die? I know I sure the heck don't. Fans are what really gives these stories life. If nobody watches or reads them, then the stories are forgotten.
 
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I loved it...10/10 It left me feeling very melancholy. Which it absolutely should have. When they said in EP4 that many died to steal those plans...wow they weren't exaggerating. The amount of loss sustained by the good guys is massive and heartbreaking. This is not a kiddy movie.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The star destroyer that was rammed had no power. The hammerhead was screened off from the functioning star destroyer by the disabled vessel. If anything didn't make sense to me it was the x-wings punching through at'at armor like it was tin foil. I guess the armor got a lot better by the time of the Battle for Hoth.
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The one SD with power should have still been able to obliterate the Hammerhead at range with its' 60 turbolaser batteries and 60 Ion Cannons. X-Wings can easily blast through an AT-AT's armor, especially a cargo variant which probably has less armor. The one ripped in half was bad as hell.

I guess I shouldn't be thinking logically about a Hollywood blockbuster.

I'm sad we didn't get to see more of the shore troopers.
 
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#284
I thought it was great. I'm not sure I would put it into the top 3 SW films but it's a close 4.

Really enjoyed the characters and I think this time period of SW is easily the most interesting.

I loved how the Storm Troopers voices sounded so close to how they were in ANH.

The CG Tarkin and Leia were pretty convincing. (Who gets paid for Peter Cushings likeness and why recast Han Solo when you can just CG a young Harrison Ford?)

Great seeing C3PO and R2. I kinda hope they make Stan Lee-esque cameos in every SW Story.

I agree that the first 3rd of the movie was a little plodding. They were throwing a lot of characters at you and trying to get you to empathize with them all and honestly I never really bought completely into Jen and Cassian's bonding. I think I was saddest by K2S0's demise.

That last act was just incredible and easily the best battle sequence of any SW film. The GoPro camera angle on the X-Wing was a thrill ride.

I loved every second of Vader in this. My only compliant is it wasn't enough.
 
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Burhead said:
Just got back and the non-spoiler review: Simply amazing.

*Beware Spoilers*

The first 1/3 of the movie was slow and boring I thought. Honestly the whole Saw Gerrera character arc was pointless. I also don't think they did justice to the Galen Erso & Director Krennic characters. After that the movie was really awesome. K-2SO is my favorite character and stole the spotlight in every scene he was in. Probably my favorite thing they did was make use reevaluate the Rebel Alliance. Lucas made them super-heroes so to speak, in this film they tend to operate in a moral gray zone while fighting the Empire (Case and point when Cassian kills the informant to stop him from talking).

The Scarif end battle was off the charts. My particular favorite was the space scenes. Seeing that rebel ship ram the disabled Star Destroyer and sending it into the other Imperial Star Destroyer was great. Also seeing Darth Vader's SD shrug off the impacts of the fleeing rebel ships was cool as well. Truly captures how awe inspiring Imperial Star Destroyers are. Overall I think we got an instant classic and I'd rank it right behind the OT and ahead of the PT and Force Awakens.

I think these are all the Easter eggs/throw backs to the OT:

* Jyn running into the characters Obi-Wan kills in ANH on Jedha
* CGI Tarkin playing a role larger than I expected
* Red and Gold Squadron leaders being used
* Red 5 being shot down during Scarif thus creating an open slot for Lue
* Bail Organa & Mon Mothma appearing
* C-3PO & R2 on Yavin
* CGI Leia and the rebel blockage runner escaping from the battle
* General Syndulla's name being called out over the Yavin intercom (Star Wars Rebels character)
* The Ghost appearing at Scarif
* I didn't see it but some people have mentioned seeing Chopper at Yavin, this is the droid character from Rebels.

I think that's all the ones I remember seeing in my first viewing.

My biggest question though is this:

Te movie makes it feel like the Rebel Alliance literally just formed. Everyone is wanting to simply go to ground or surrender at the council meeting before the final battle. I just don't believe that, why would the Imperial commander on the Death Star say that the rebellion is a big threat if it just formed? The old canon had the rebellion and the Galactic Civil War starting two years prior to the Battle of Yavin but under this new canon it hasn't been stated when it starts.
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I would add to your Easter Eggs

Mention of the Mandalorian Black Saber which was introduced in Clone Wars and recently brought back in Rebels
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I loved it...10/10 It left me feeling very melancholy. Which it absolutely should have. When they said in EP4 that many died to steal those plans...wow they weren't exaggerating. The amount of loss sustained by the good guys is massive and heartbreaking. This is not a kiddy movie.
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Glad to hear this. It sounds like this movie takes itself seriously. The prequels were child-fare.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I thought it was great. I'm not sure I would put it into the top 3 SW films but it's a close 4.

Really enjoyed the characters and I think this time period of SW is easily the most interesting.

I loved how the Storm Troopers voices sounded so close to how they were in ANH.

The CG Tarkin and Leia were pretty convincing. (Who gets paid for Peter Cushings likeness and why recast Han Solo when you can just CG a young Harrison Ford?)

Great seeing C3PO and R2. I kinda hope they make Stan Lee-esque cameos in every SW Story.

I agree that the first 3rd of the movie was a little plodding. They were throwing a lot of characters at you and trying to get you to empathize with them all and honestly I never really bought completely into Jen and Cassian's bonding. I think I was saddest by K2S0's demise.

That last act was just incredible and easily the best battle sequence of any SW film. The GoPro camera angle on the X-Wing was a thrill ride.

I loved every second of Vader in this. My only compliant is it wasn't enough.
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I thought the first act was what it needed to be. I do not understand the need to go 1000 mph with no story or character development among so many people today. It is what creates the payoff.
 
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#288
I just scrolled to the end after some of you started playing spoiler crap. Mainly wanted to get a consensus...sounds like it'll be worth it.
 
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butchna said:
I just scrolled to the end after some of you started playing spoiler crap. Mainly wanted to get a consensus...sounds like it'll be worth it.
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You can always look at the stars on Fandango or the Rotten Tomato rating. Or you can be an ass and complain about people discussing a movie in a thread for that movie.
 
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#290
According to a critic on Rotten Tomatoes, it doesn't begin with the iconic opening crawl or Star Wars theme. That doesn't seem right.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
According to a critic on Rotten Tomatoes, it doesn't begin with the iconic opening crawl or Star Wars theme. That doesn't seem right.
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It seemed slightly odd, but it really wasn't needed. The crawl would've been something like:

Ok
This movie
takes place a little
bit before that first one.
No. Not episode one. We're
talking about the original movie from
40 years ago. Remember the one where
they blow up the Death Star? Got it? Good.
 
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#293
I don't know if it was the best in the series, but it was clearly the best 3rd act in the series and has the best beast mode sequences ever. It drags a little in the first few minutes as they throw out a lot of new characters and lay out the plot, but as soon as the characters come together you immediately see where it's going and know business is about to pick up.
 
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#294
BigOrange15 said:
I'm firmly in the camp of "only the main trilogy movies get the crawl".
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If you think about it, it's silly to put a crawl on a prequel; especially one that is sandwiched in a timeline between two previous movies.
 
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GAVol said:
I don't know if it was the best in the series, but it was clearly the best 3rd act in the series and has the best beast mode sequences ever. It drags a little in the first few minutes as they throw out a lot of new characters and lay out the plot, but as soon as the characters come together you immediately see where it's going and know business is about to pick up.
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With you. I think the movie really does a good job since you have a cast of completely unknown characters and you need to care about all of them and their plight...and you do. The third act was magnificent but like you said, the movie drags only in that it's working to establish these characters and lay plot for you and I think it works out really well in the end.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I thought the first act was what it needed to be. I do not understand the need to go 1000 mph with no story or character development among so many people today. It is what creates the payoff.
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Like I said. It felt plodding because they were throwing so many characters at you and jumping around from location to location. Nothing felt like it was "sticking" IMO.

I compare all Star Wars movies to ANH. Even though it moves a lot slower once the Droids land onTattooinwe it actually fleshed out the characters better.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Like I said. It felt plodding because they were throwing so many characters at you and jumping around from location to location. Nothing felt like it was "sticking" IMO.

I compare all Star Wars movies to ANH. Even though it moves a lot slower once the Droids land onTattooinwe it actually fleshed out the characters better.
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It did jump around but the story moved well and was told in a very good way.
 
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#299
Saw it Thursday night and again last night. I really enjoyed this one. It goes in the top three for sure. It does start slow but it has to develop the characters. Cassian killing the informant lays out the darker nature of this movie and the rebellion as a whole during this time. Also shows how unorganized the rebellion is and that they have division themselves with Gen Draven wanting Galen killed instead of bringing him in to question. There's no cutesy humor or love story. K-2SO does bring comic relief into the movie but it's deadpan and serious nature that gives him his humor.

Lots of little Easter eggs. Most have been mentioned but I'm not sure if the blue milk Jyn had in the opening scenes was pointed out. I thought it was a nice touch.

Vader going full Vader in the 3rd act was the best part of the movie. Wish we could see more of that.
 
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#300
Also did anyone else notice the WW2 American style helmets some of the rebels were using? Maybe it was just seeing a second time that made it stand out. I thought it was cool though specially since they went full Nazi with The First Order in TFA.
 
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