Star Watching (merged)

[VOLNBAMA]

According to Volnation

Marquis Pair - This staff did a good job finding this sleeper. No other offers
Channing Fugate - Best offer Stanford. This guy looks is a Jacob Hester clone, Huge pickup.
Risean Broussard - 2 Offers. Ed O will turn this kid into an all-american
Delvin Jones - Big 3 passed on him but we got a steal
Ralph Williams - Miami didn't offer this kid in their own back yard but this staff knows a good LB when they see one.

 

[Lord Vader]

It's funny, because I remember a bunch of people saying Hunter was coming to Tennessee the whole time and that he was going to be Kiffin's NSD surprise, and I'm about 90% sure that one of those people was you...

Yes, it was. If Kiffin would have wanted him, he would have been a Vol.

That does not mean Dooley didn't do an awesome job still getting his signature after Kiffin bailed.

"When Coach Dooley came to our house on his second day as Head Coach, I knew that man was for real. I knew he would make sure Justin would be at his best academically, and I just felt and electricity that I hadn't felt before."

 

[sjt18]

It's funny, because I remember a bunch of people saying Hunter was coming to Tennessee the whole time and that he was going to be Kiffin's NSD surprise, and I'm about 90% sure that one of those people was you...

Maybe he was but from his mom's comments... it appears that Dooley, not Kiffin and not the track coaches, sealed the deal.

 

[Lord Vader]

According to Volnation

Marquis Pair - This staff did a good job finding this sleeper. No other offers
Channing Fugate - Best offer Stanford. This guy looks is a Jacob Hester clone, Huge pickup.
Risean Broussard - 2 Offers. Ed O will turn this kid into an all-american
Delvin Jones - Big 3 passed on him but we got a steal
Ralph Williams - Miami didn't offer this kid in their own back yard but this staff knows a good LB when they see one.

Pat Harris- 0 offers. O knows how to find gems at DT.

Jose Jose- big 3 passed. when he loses 50 pounds he is gonna be a NFL center. absolute steal.

Ted Meline- big 3 passed on him but we got a steal.

Ralph Williams- big 3 passed on him but we got a steal.

 

[NashVol11]

Yes, it was. If Kiffin would have wanted him, he would have been a Vol.

That does not mean Dooley didn't do an awesome job still getting his signature after Kiffin bailed.

"When Coach Dooley came to our house on his second day as Head Coach, I knew that man was for real. I knew he would make sure Justin would be at his best academically, and I just felt and electricity that I hadn't felt before."

I agree. That's exactly what I said in the long post that started this discussion.

 

[UTVOL02]

lol

 

[Lord Vader]

Or because we offered Nash Nance...but I wouldn't want to stop you when you're on a roll like this, so please continue...

Was still a great job for Dooley to steal the #9 player in the country from his home state school where he had been committed for about a year no matter how it gets spun.

 

[NashVol11]

Maybe he was but from his mom's comments... it appears that Dooley, not Kiffin and not the track coaches, sealed the deal.

Believe what you want. If you don't think he was coming here anyway, LV, volwarrior33, and plenty of other posters who know WAY more about recruiting than you do disagree.

 

[Sabanocchio]

I seriously doubt it as you continue to characterize people that disagree with you in that manner (and have for a while).

Well you seriously haven't been paying any attention because some of the posters that disagree with me have solid support of their arguments and others are just making it up as they go along. That's the distinction.

It's not us vs. them here. There are differing levels of opinions and they are all welcome.

There is abject homerism and there is unrealistic expectations due to a healthy amount of orange flowing through your veins. One is a violation of every reason I'm a vol fan and the other is a perfectly healthy reaction to anything less than a national championship.

 

[NashVol11]

Was still a great job for Dooley to steal the #9 player in the country from his home state school where he had been committed for about a year no matter how it gets spun.

It's not a random assumption. The majority of our class, as I've said, is made up of guys basically no one else wants. We aren't in on many top guys at all, and if most people saw our commitment list without knowing whose it was, they would assume Vandy or Kentucky.

Dooley did a good job holding on to the guys Kiffin recruited, but most of the guys he actually added to the class were 2- and 3-stars. He hasn't shown that he can put together the top-10 class that we need, and based on what we have now, it doesn't look like he can.

Most everything I just said is fact. The ones "ASSUMING" are the ones who say that we'll be fine because we will just get a bunch of 4*s out of nowhere, or that we're good because half of our guys will magically turn into 4*s, or that it's okay because all of our commits are diamonds in the rough that will turn out to be superstars. Based on what we actually have right now in reality, our class isn't where it needs to be to compete with the big dogs of the SEC (which you just said is what we should expect) and that's fact.

I said that. And it's not really a spin...if UGA had offered Nance, Rogers would be there too.

 

[Sabanocchio]

I don't think the question is so much "Can Dooley recruit?" it's more "Why aren't we getting the high profile players?"

I think those of us who have been paying attention to recruiting knows the ability is there. Why the results are not coming should be the topic for discussion.

 

[Lord Vader]

I think there are unrealistic expectations cuz our program is in it's worst shape in my lifetime, but people expect us to recruit like it's 1996.

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

he will say he is being real not negative.

Things he knows nothing about:

:good!: :rock: :rock:k: :clapping: :rock: :dance2:

lol: :yes: :thumbsup: epper:

Things he knows all about:

:swoon3: :furious3: :boxing2: :censored: :angry:

:finger3: :rtfm:

and finally.....

 

[sjt18]

Or because we offered Nash Nance...but I wouldn't want to stop you when you're on a roll like this, so please continue...

Your response does not follow what I posted.

But FTR, Nash would have been necessary regardless of who had been HC.

The last staff probably would have passed because of Ambles. FWIW, Ambles looked like a much better WR in the All Star game.

 

[Sabanocchio]

I think there are unrealistic expectations cuz our program is in it's worst shape in my lifetime, but people expect us to recruit like it's 1996.

I think most understand that it's a process. It's just the concern behind it mainly. We'll follow Dooley, we just want to know where he's going first.

 

[Lord Vader]

I don't think the question is so much "Can Dooley recruit?" it's more "Why aren't we getting the high profile players?"

I think those of us who have been paying attention to recruiting knows the ability is there. Why the results are not coming should be the topic for discussion.

these are the 3 main reasons imo.

- 3 coaching staffs in 3 years. cannot understate how much this hurts a program

- we are a .500 program the last 2 years and will be in that area again this year. we just aren't doing anything on the field to get anyone excited

- we have had 3 MAJOR off the field incidents in the last year plastered all over the news. we are viewed as a thug and out of control school

2012 will be the year to really judge this staff imo. we are sitting good with 5-10 big time prospects there already.

 

[sjt18]

Believe what you want. If you don't think he was coming here anyway, LV, volwarrior33, and plenty of other posters who know WAY more about recruiting than you do disagree.

So you are saying it did not matter to him that UT changed coaches, right? That if DD had not gone to see him and settle things down, he would have committed anyway, right?

Often I wonder if you even skim posts before you assume what was said and reply to them.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I don't think the question is so much "Can Dooley recruit?" it's more "Why aren't we getting the high profile players?"

I think those of us who have been paying attention to recruiting knows the ability is there. Why the results are not coming should be the topic for discussion.

I think the truth is that none of us have any idea on how this is going to turn out.

We've had so much stability for so long that this new level of uncertainty is scary. Some deal with the fear by bashing the new coaching staff, others make themselves believe that Dooley and Co. will have us winning national titles.

The truth is that the only thing we can do is sit back and try to enjoy the ride. :hi:

 

[Sabanocchio]

thyese are the 3 main reasons imo.

- 3 coaching staffs in 3 years. cannot understate how much this hurts a program

- we are a .500 program the last 2 years and will be in that area again this year. we just aren't doing anything on the field to get anyone excited

- we have had 3 MAJOR off the field incidents in the last year plastered all over the news. we are viewed as a thug and out of control school

2012 will be the year to really judge this staff imo.

I don't think 3 is an issue. It's another step the coaches have to take in the recruiting process, that is all. Simply point to any other SEC school's recent track record and compare it to your own.

The other points are right on and a likely culprit. Record will matter less than simply seeing the product on the field, though. You can recruit to a school like Tennessee coming off a poor record.

 

[Sabanocchio]

The truth is that the only thing we can do is sit back and try to enjoy the ride. :hi:

Well said, PT.

 

[NashVol11]

So you are saying it did not matter to him that UT changed coaches, right? That if DD had not gone to see him and settle things down, he would have committed anyway, right?

Often I wonder if you even skim posts before you assume what was said and reply to them.

As long as we didn't hire a complete idiot, he was coming here. And in any event, I've already said about 5 times that Dooley did a good job holding onto the guys Kiffin was already getting. The line in my post is bolded on about three different pages of this thread. Need me to do it again?

Often I wonder whether you actually read my posts before assuming I'm hating on everything about Dooley and trying unsuccessfully to call me out...

 

[kptvol]

Yea, take away from what Dooley did. That's fine. Fact is he signed those 3 AFTER Kiffin left. Spin it however best fits your opinion, but those are FACTS.

Not taking away from Dools, but I think the difference is we really weren't in on Nuke, Jackson, and Teague prior to Kiffin, whereas Kiffin had already done some legwork for the guys Dooley landed.

 

[Sabanocchio]

Not taking away from Dools, but I think the difference is we really weren't in on Nuke, Jackson, and Teague prior to Kiffin, whereas Kiffin had already done some legwork for the guys Dooley landed.

Dooley had some legwork done on his own though for a lot of the guys we ended up landing. He was put in a bad situation last year and made the absolute best of it IMO.

I do get what you are saying though.

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

I don't think the question is so much "Can Dooley recruit?" it's more "Why aren't we getting the high profile players?"

I think those of us who have been paying attention to recruiting knows the ability is there. Why the results are not coming should be the topic for discussion.

I wonder which kids Dooley recruited for Saban at LSU when they had the #15 class in 02, #1 class in 03, and #2 class in 04?

 

[NashVol11]

Not taking away from Dools, but I think the difference is we really weren't in on Nuke, Jackson, and Teague prior to Kiffin, whereas Kiffin had already done some legwork for the guys Dooley landed.

You must be like a high school girl stalker who thinks Kiffin is a god. You need counseling IMO