State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America

[therealUT]

Allvol, you and LetMeStay also continually harp on the negatives (and implicate Mexican immigrants for all America's current problems,) yet you fail to give credit to illegal immigrants for any of the benefits they provide. I will provide you with a great one, which I witness personally, day in and day out: Children of immigrants, illegal and legal, enlist in the United States Military at a much higher rate than children whose families have been in the US for multiple generations.

 

[allvol123]

I answered it earlier. I would examine the cost:benefit ratio of having them there. If it was more beneficial to keep them in my house, then I would keep them there. If it was more costly, I would get rid of them.

Well then go for it dude, I am sure you can get someone from a 3rd world country that is starving to do your household chores for you with the notion that food and shelter is all that is required in return. I am sure the benefit will outweigh the cost in this scenario. How absurd.

 

[LetMeStay]

the negatives outweigh the positives.

 

[therealUT]

i imagine you dont live in an area with a lot of illegals

NASHVILLE, right???

 

[LetMeStay]

mexison, tn (suburb of nashville)

 

[therealUT]

Well then go for it dude, I am sure you can get someone from a 3rd world country that is starving to do your household chores for you with the notion that food and shelter is all that is required in return. I am sure the benefit will outweigh the cost in this scenario. How absurd.

If that is what they wish, yes. It is not slavery if one has the freedom to walk away. Thank you for trying to make that connection, however, you failed miserably in your understanding of the definition of slavery and servitude. I'm out.

 

[allvol123]

Allvol, you and LetMeStay also continually harp on the negatives (and implicate Mexican immigrants for all America's current problems,) yet you fail to give credit to illegal immigrants for any of the benefits they provide. I will provide you with a great one, which I witness personally, day in and day out: Children of immigrants, illegal and legal, enlist in the United States Military at a much higher rate than children whose families have been in the US for multiple generations.

Never have argued that immigration is bad. Uncontrolled immigration is bad. Open door policy is bad. For everyone of these soldiers that have enlisted, how many terorists have entered our country thorugh unsecure borders. I have had people of many nationalities work for me, and they would all tell you I am as fair of a person as they have ever worked for. But does not mean I agree allowing the whole world to flow in here with no plan.

 

[LetMeStay]

I should have made a poll to see who is against illegal immigration and who is for illegal immigration.

 

[allvol123]

If that is what they wish, yes. It is not slavery if one has the freedom to walk away. Thank you for trying to make that connection, however, you failed miserably in your understanding of the definition of slavery and servitude. I'm out.

I was not trying to make any connection to slavery, you thought wrong. You failed miserably in your interpretation. I was making the point that the benefit would outweigh the cost, so why haven't you attained this person to live in your house as of now?

 

[CSpindizzy]

i imagine you dont live in an area with a lot of illegals

You imagine incorrectly. I live in an area where illegals make up a large portion of local populations. There was a story in the AJC earlier in the week about how GA is now the state with the greatest surge of illegals than any other state.

 

[emainvol]

Why couldn't they? What about US immigration enforcement prevents them from doing this? I doubt you have an answer.

and i say again, i don't need an answer because it is glaringly obvious. Mexico is not a US state, therefore to imply that they could shut down their prison system and ship all of their criminals to a Texas (probably state run) prison is absolutely ludicrous.

 

[GAVol]

There was a story in the AJC earlier in the week about how GA is now the state with the greatest surge of illegals than any other state.

I've always wondered why nobody ever mentioned GA with regard to illegal immigration. Places like Gainesville are loaded with large Hispanic populations and south GA is overflowing with migrant workers in the summertime.

 

[emainvol]

and i say again, i don't need an answer because it is glaringly obvious. Mexico is not a US state, therefore to imply that they could shut down their prison system and ship all of their criminals to a Texas (probably state run) prison is absolutely ludicrous.

to continue, you are talking about extradition, not immigration. if, however, you are implying that they just let the criminals go in south texas, that is even more ridiculous. our government would never let it happen, for one, and the international response to this incredibly idiotic scenario would be one of outrage.

 

[CSpindizzy]

I've always wondered why nobody ever mentioned GA with regard to illegal immigration. Places like Gainesville are loaded with large Hispanic populations and south GA is overflowing with migrant workers in the summertime.

Yep. Go to any poultry farm or plant in GA and speak English. You won't get far. Drive down Buford Highway right outside of Atlanta. Pull in any QT gas station about 7-8am and tell me what you see. I think we are now 5th in the nation among illegal population (how anyone is counting is beyond me) and first on percentage of increase of illegals.

 

[allvol123]

to continue, you are talking about extradition, not immigration. if, however, you are implying that they just let the criminals go in south texas, that is even more ridiculous. our government would never let it happen, for one, and the international response to this incredibly idiotic scenario would be one of outrage.

You have not stated one reason or example as to how the current immigation enforcement methods would stop this.

 

[therealUT]

You have not stated one reason or example as to how the current immigation enforcement methods would stop this.

You have yet to state how this goes against the accepted and established notion of bring us your "wretched refuse" stance towards immigration during the largest flow of immigration into America.

However, to deport prisoners from Mexico to America would require a vast amount of resources, both human and capital.

Either the Mexican gov't could release its prisoners and tell them to travel to America. This would work, since all those prisoners are just so full of character and integrity.

The other option is the Mexican gov't could actually escort them across the border. I don't know about you, but I feel that sending armed gov't agents covertly into America is a huge diplomatic risk for Mexico. A risk that I doubt the Mexican gov't is willing to take. It is one thing to fire pot shots across a border and a completely different matter to send armed forces across.

 

[allvol123]

You have yet to state how this goes against the accepted and established notion of bring us your "wretched refuse" stance towards immigration during the largest flow of immigration into America.

However, to deport prisoners from Mexico to America would require a vast amount of resources, both human and capital.

Either the Mexican gov't could release its prisoners and tell them to travel to America. This would work, since all those prisoners are just so full of character and integrity.

The other option is the Mexican gov't could actually escort them across the border. I don't know about you, but I feel that sending armed gov't agents covertly into America is a huge diplomatic risk for Mexico. A risk that I doubt the Mexican gov't is willing to take. It is one thing to fire pot shots across a border and a completely different matter to send armed forces across.

10-12 million have made it across the border. Mexican official to prisoner: "stay here and we keep you in jail, we will let you go, but you have to go to America" hhmmm what would the prisoner do? Anyway I am just using it as a hypothetical to ask, what about current US immigration enforcement methods would stop it?

 

[allvol123]

The other option is the Mexican gov't could actually escort them across the border. I don't know about you, but I feel that sending armed gov't agents covertly into America is a huge diplomatic risk for Mexico. A risk that I doubt the Mexican gov't is willing to take. It is one thing to fire pot shots across a border and a completely different matter to send armed forces across.

Mexican military incursions reported - Nation/Politics - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper

 

[therealUT]

10-12 million have made it across the border. Mexican official to prisoner: "stay here and we keep you in jail, we will let you go, but you have to go to America" hhmmm what would the prisoner do? Anyway I am just using it as a hypothetical to ask, what about current US immigration enforcement methods would stop it?

Most likely nothing, because it is an absolutely ridiculous hypothetical question. Might as well question the readiness of our military by asking what we have in place to keep Canada from rapidly deploying F-18 Superhornets against the cities of Chicago, Boston, NYC, Detroit, and Seattle.

 

[allvol123]

Most likely nothing, because it is an absolutely ridiculous hypothetical question. Might as well question the readiness of our military by asking what we have in place to keep Canada from rapidly deploying F-18 Superhornets against the cities of Chicago, Boston, NYC, Detroit, and Seattle.

You label it ridiculous because you have no answer for it as usual.

 

[therealUT]

Mexican military incursions reported*-*Nation/Politics*-*The Washington Times, America's Newspaper

You should read what you post prior to posting:

Border Patrol spokesman Salvador Zamora confirmed that a "military incursion" warning was given to Tucson agents, but said it was designed to inform them how to react to any sightings of military and foreign police in this country and how to properly document any incursion.
Mr. Zamora added that although incursions by the Mexican military do occur, they usually have taken place in areas of the border "not marked by monuments or signs." He said U.S. military units also have crossed mistakenly into Mexico.

Those are not overt actions, authorized by the highest levels of the Mexican gov't. They are singular mistakes by soldiers on both sides of the border.

 

[allvol123]

You should read what you post prior to posting:


Those are not overt actions, authorized by the highest levels of the Mexican gov't. They are singular mistakes by soldiers on both sides of the border.

I was using it in response to your idea that Mexican agents would never enter US soil. Wrong again.

 

[allvol123]

I was not trying to make any connection to slavery, you thought wrong. You failed miserably in your interpretation. I was making the point that the benefit would outweigh the cost, so why haven't you attained this person to live in your house as of now?

Still haven't answered why haven't attained this person to live in your house?

 

[therealUT]

I was using it in response to your idea that Mexican agents would never enter US soil. Wrong again.

You should definitely read my post again. There is a difference between an individual soldier crossing the border and the Mexican gov't sending them across. If you look closely, I actually used the word "send" in my post, imagine that?!?

The sad thing is that in order to defend your stance against illegal immigration, you have backed yourself into such an outlandish situation. If the matter of Mexican deporting its prisoners to the US is your last island of hope in your cause, then I doubt your cause is all that noble.

 

[therealUT]

Still haven't answered why haven't attained this person to live in your house?

I have, three or four times already.