Status of Tennessee Baseball

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bowlinggreenvol said:
How does TN's lottery scholarship work? In FL, we had "Bright Futures" and a 3.0 GPA and 1000 SAT or 20 ACT (don't remember specifics) qualified you for 75% tuition paid. A 3.5 and 1300 SAT or 28 ACT (approximation) qualified for 100% tuition paid. Is TN's not at least 75% tuition? If so, that should be hefty enough.
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Tennesse hope is $4500 and has low qualifications. That 4500 might have lowered slightly a few years ago but I am not exactly sure.
 
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BruinVol said:
Georgias hope gets full Tuition so they shouldn't ever leave the state. Arkansas gets in state in Texas I think so that is huge. Tennessee should win at the same kind of clip as Kentucky IMO. You can't set scholarships with any sports in mind only with the vision of the student body imo.
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Why can't we waive out of state tuition for all students who are on either, academic, athletic, artistic, etc.. scholarships?

I hope that's not a stupid question.
 
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vol66 said:
Why can't we waive out of state tuition for all students who are on either, academic, athletic, artistic, etc.. scholarships?

I hope that's not a stupid question.
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If it was done for athetes it would be an NCAA violation.


You could for the others but again enrollment isn't something Tennessee wants to go up as understand it.
 
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BruinVol said:
Tennesse hope is $4500 and has low qualifications. That 4500 might have lowered slightly a few years ago but I am not exactly sure.
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That's terribly cheap. So TN is now offering free community college to all qualifying students but maxes out 4 yr education at 50% or less? Solid.
 
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BruinVol said:
If it was done for athetes it would be an NCAA violation.


You could for the others but again enrollment isn't something Tennessee wants to go up as understand it.
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It doesn't necessarily have to go up, you simply pull more kids from out of state. But that's a slippery slope I understand. A family spends 20 yrs paying taxes and their kid qualifies but is passed over for a kid from Ohio. Bama's student body has actually grown overall but they've also grown the out of state portion even more so. OOS students actually outnumber kids from AL now. I imagine it's done in the name of money; a kid from out of state brings 2-3x the money an in state kid does but the cost of educating them isn't anymore so it's a windfall for the university.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
It doesn't necessarily have to go up, you simply pull more kids from out of state. But that's a slippery slope I understand. A family spends 20 yrs paying taxes and their kid qualifies but is passed over for a kid from Ohio. Bama's student body has actually grown overall but they've also grown the out of state portion even more so. OOS students actually outnumber kids from AL now. I imagine it's done in the name of money; a kid from out of state brings 2-3x the money an in state kid does but the cost of educating them isn't anymore so it's a windfall for the university.
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That's a good angle to this I haven't thought about.
 
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BruinVol said:
If it was done for athetes it would be an NCAA violation.


You could for the others but again enrollment isn't something Tennessee wants to go up as understand it.
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All students who were either athletically, academically or otherwise deserving...not all students are.
 
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BruinVol said:
But if athletics is used as a qualifier then it's an extra benefit or NCAA violation.
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The Qualifier should be, if you are a student with special attributes of any kind...available to any student with special attributes, in addition to scholarships that might be available to any in state kid, we will waive out of state tuition...

I don't see how that could be deemed an offense to the NCAA and I don't know why other schools can do it, but we can't, and I don't understand why that would be bad for UT and believe me...if I had to make the grades and test scores that UT now requires, I wouldn't have gotten into UT in 1985...God I feel old. :p
 
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vol66 said:
The Qualifier should be, if you are a student with special attributes of any kind...available to any student with special attributes, in addition to scholarships that might be available to any in state kid, we will waive out of state tuition...

I don't see how that could be deemed an offense to the NCAA and I don't know why other schools can do it, but we can't, and I don't understand why that would be bad for UT and believe me...if I had to make the grades and test scores that UT now requires, I wouldn't have gotten into UT in 1985...God I feel old. :p
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Lol.

No schools are using athletics as criteria for such scholarships. That part is clearly defined by the NCAA.
 
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BruinVol said:
Lol.

No schools are using athletics as criteria for such scholarships. That part is clearly defined by the NCAA.
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What? Seriously?

Do you agree that there are SEC schools that waive out of state tuition for athletes?

Does that mean those schools are waiving out of state tuition to ALL of their out of state students?
 
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vol66 said:
What? Seriously?

Do you agree that there are SEC schools that waive out of state tuition for athletes?

Does that mean those schools are waiving out of state tuition to ALL of their out of state students?
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I am saying there are no schools waiving out of state tuition because a kid is an athlete.
They are waiving it because the met some other criteria available to all students.
 
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BruinVol said:
I am saying there are no schools waiving out of state tuition because a kid is an athlete.
They are waiving it because the met some other criteria available to all students.
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That's what I said. If there is a criteria to be met by an out of state kid that UT deems worthy, whether it's scholastic, artistic (band, for instance) or athletic and another SEC school would waive out of state tuition to attract them, why wouldn't/can't we?

Why would that be detrimental to UT or an NCAA violation?
 
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vol66 said:
That's what I said. If there is a criteria to be met by an out of state kid that UT deems worthy, whether it's scholastic, artistic (band, for instance) or athletic and another SEC school would waive out of state tuition to attract them, why wouldn't/can't we?

Why would that be detrimental to UT or an NCAA violation?
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Maybe we are saying the same thing.

You can waive out of state Tuition to a student that is from a certain location or has certain grades but you can't waive out of state tuition to a kid that is an athlete without also having the other criteria. Being an athlete has to be irrelevant in who gets the award is all I am saying.
 
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And a 3rd question, wouldn't that help level the playing field in baseball, especially since for the most part these guys make good grades or they have less of a shot?
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Explains the Kansas and Illinois kids on the roster, like Spanberger. They have 7 kids from those 2 states.
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Hate to keep asking the same thing, but if we parlay this into just pitching...just being able to go out and get pitching...what is the reason that other SEC schools do it and we are not?

I hear Bruin when he says it wouldn't be good for the University as a whole, but am having trouble understanding that rationale.
 
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vol66 said:
Hate to keep asking the same thing, but if we parlay this into just pitching...just being able to go out and get pitching...what is the reason that other SEC schools do it and we are not?

I hear Bruin when he says it wouldn't be good for the University as a whole, but am having trouble understanding that rationale.
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baseball would skyrocket if Georgia kids got in state tuition. How many students are at tenn from Georgia? Maybe 1000 at the least is my guess. Giving them in state tuition is roughly a 20k discount. That is 20mil Bucks the school just lost. That example should show why Tennesse doesn't need to do it as a school.
 
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BruinVol said:
baseball would skyrocket if Georgia kids got in state tuition. How many students are at tenn from Georgia? Maybe 1000 at the least is my guess. Giving them in state tuition is roughly a 20k discount. That is 20mil Bucks the school just lost. That example should show why Tennesse doesn't need to do it as a school.
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No, you give them in-state + x% like WKU and ARK are doing. You have to forecast if the increase in out of state student volume is enough to offset the lost tuition per student.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
No, you give them in-state + x% like WKU and ARK are doing. You have to forecast if the increase in out of state student volume is enough to offset the lost tuition per student.
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Yes it has to increase enrollment to offset lost money but from what I know Tennessee doesn't want increased enrollment
 
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txbo said:
My daughter is at Arkansas in the nursing program. Tuition was cheaper than any in-state school. They attract a lot of kids with that program.
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UT's tuition is getting out of hand. I used their online, cost calculator a couple of years ago to see what it would cost for my future kid 18 years from that date. Starting in 2031, the cost for 4 years, in-state tuition and no lottery money, was estimated to be roughly $160k. The lottery brought it down $20-$30k over the 4 yrs. I bout cried trying to figure out how I was going to pay for college for the imaginary kid at the time.
 
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