Still have faith in Cuonzo Martin?

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Dougie_D said:
Just a reminder... Bruce Pearls first year of coaching. Look at that roster. Names I totally forgot about! And we made the dance.

I'm having a hard time believing CCM is a great coach/motivator. BP took underdogs into superstars. Dane Bradshaw?! Jordan Howell! ,
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To agree with what's been stated on this board many times, Chris Lofton would have produced great numbers his sophomore year whether or not BP was here or not. Pearl wouldn't have been at UT very long had it not been for Lofton IMO.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Just a reminder... Bruce Pearls first year of coaching. Look at that roster. Names I totally forgot about! And we made the dance.

I'm having a hard time believing CCM is a great coach/motivator. BP took underdogs into superstars. Dane Bradshaw?! Jordan Howell! ,
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" 2003 Tennessee Gatorade Player of the Year ... Named to the Associated Press All-State first team as a junior and senior ... TSWA all-state selection ... Selected MVP of the 2003 Class AAA tournament ... Named the No. 1 senior player in Memphis by the Commercial Appeal ... MIAA All-Metro selection ... 2003 McDonald's All-America nominee ... Ranked among the top 100 players in the Class of 2003 by Basketball Times ... Had his high school jersey retired ... 2002 Beach Ball Classic MVP ... Won three state championships in high school ... Led White Station to a 36-2 record and a Class AAA state championship as a senior ... Scored 12 points and had 11 rebounds in the championship game against Cleveland Bradley Central ... Led White Station to a No. 9 national ranking as a junior and a No. 10 ranking as a senior in USA Today's Super 25 rankings ... Led the Spartans to three state titles in his four seasons ... Averaged 10 points, 5.4 rebounds, 4.3 assists and 3.7 steals as a senior ... Named MVP of the 2003 Bass Pro Tournament of Champions ... Averaged 10.1 points, 4.6 assists and 3.2 steals as a junior ... Led White Station to a 36-2 record and a state title as a junior ... Named to the all-state tournament team as a junior ... One of 39 high school players selected to participate in the USA Basketball Youth Development Festival in Colorado Springs, Colo., before his senior season ... Led the South squad to a gold medal while averaging 12 points, four rebounds, three steals and two blocks ... Two-time attendee of the Nike All-America camp ... Coached by Terry Tippett."

Take 3 guesses who that is.
 
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mtt2d said:
To agree with what's been stated on this board many times, Chris Lofton would have produced great numbers his sophomore year whether or not BP was here or not. Pearl wouldn't have been at UT very long had it not been for Lofton IMO.
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Say what?
 
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Dougie_D said:
Just a reminder... Bruce Pearls first year of coaching. Look at that roster. Names I totally forgot about! And we made the dance.

I'm having a hard time believing CCM is a great coach/motivator. BP took underdogs into superstars. Dane Bradshaw?! Jordan Howell! ,
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I miss Bruce :cray:
 
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So you are saying that Stokes, Maymon, McRae, etc...are less efficient than Lofton? Or the same?

BP utilized Lofton. I'm not sure if CCM could have done the same.
 
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Dougie_D said:
So you are saying that Stokes, Maymon, McRae, etc...are less efficient than Lofton? Or the same?

BP utilized Lofton. I'm not sure if CCM could have done the same.
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To you're first statement, BP had a much better roster than CM did going in to his first year at UT.

And you're second point, BP didn't utilize Lofton. Lofton earned every basket he ever made on his own.
 
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This thread might be the first time I have ever seen Dane Bradshaw and Jordan Howell referred to as "superstars". Holy s***.
 
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Dougie_D said:
Just a reminder... Bruce Pearls first year of coaching. Look at that roster. Names I totally forgot about! And we made the dance.

I'm having a hard time believing CCM is a great coach/motivator. BP took underdogs into superstars. Dane Bradshaw?! Jordan Howell! ,
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Chris Lofton?! CJ Watson?!
 
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Dougie_D said:
So you are saying that Stokes, Maymon, McRae, etc...are less efficient than Lofton? Or the same?

BP utilized Lofton. I'm not sure if CCM could have done the same.
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Umm what? You don't think Martin would allow one of college basjetball's all time great shooters shoot?
 
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mtt2d said:
What? BP wouldn't have had the success he did at UT if it were not for Lofton. It's not a very difficult concept to grasp.
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I hate it when it becomes Bruce Pearl vs. Cuonzo but damn at least Bruce Pearl had proven himself and had a resume. Cuonzo had been an assistant for 8 years at ONE place, Purdue where he had played. Then he jumped into a head coaching spot at a solid mid major where 4 of his top 7 players during his 3rd year were from the previous coach, Barry Hinson. His best player had redshirted Hinson's last season. Pearl was a runner up and national champion at D2, made the NCAA tourney at UMW. He had some good talent that had been losers and made them believe. They were a very undersized group but played with heart and played up to their abilities. Pearl won big everywhere he had been so your argument has no merit.
 
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pdogg said:
I hate it when it becomes Bruce Pearl vs. Cuonzo but damn at least Bruce Pearl had proven himself and had a resume. Cuonzo had been an assistant for 8 years at ONE place, Purdue where he had played. Then he jumped into a head coaching spot at a solid mid major where 4 of his top 7 players during his 3rd year were from the previous coach, Barry Hinson. His best player had redshirted Hinson's last season. Pearl was a runner up and national champion at D2, made the NCAA tourney at UMW. He had some good talent that had been losers and made them believe. They were a very undersized group but played with heart and played up to their abilities. Pearl won big everywhere he had been so your argument has no merit.
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You bring up good points. Thanks for your response. Pearl had great success while he coached in the NCAA's. But, by the time Pearl was fired at UT, he had already buried the UT basketball program into the ground and then some.

CM inherited a pretty decent roster and he's made the most of what he could with it. Pearl overachieved, but where has CM underachieved?

I'll reiterate your statement -> let's not compare the two, let's focus on who is here now.
 
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mtt2d said:
You bring up good points. Thanks for your response. Pearl had great success while he coached in the NCAA's. But, by the time Pearl was fired at UT, he had already buried the UT basketball program into the ground and then some.

CM inherited a pretty decent roster and he's made the most of what he could with it. Pearl overachieved, but where has CM underachieved?

I'll reiterate your statement -> let's not compare the two, let's focus on who is here now.
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I hope Cuonzo can get it done. I am as big a basketball fan of Teneessee if not bigger than the football. I want both to be consistent top 25 programs. I think the basketball program was the 13th most profitable in the nation last year. That shows there is a lot of support for the program.
 
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VKAman said:
I get optimism and all, but what on Earth has he done to deserve "a ton" of confidence?
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The question says "Do you have faith". I have tons of it with CCM. Which means I have confidence with him. Doesn't mean I have a ton of evidence to back this up.

The most likely scenario is that CCM is an above average coach, who, at best, continues the success Bruce Pearl brought UT. The second most likely is that he's ohsoclose for his career and just can't maintain consistency.

I still think he will take UT to bigger heights and make the program with a consistent top 20. Not all of that is on facts/proper discussion though. I have no qualms with people who disagree with me on that. It's just a hunch.
 
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mtt2d said:
You bring up good points. Thanks for your response. Pearl had great success while he coached in the NCAA's. But, by the time Pearl was fired at UT, he had already buried the UT basketball program into the ground and then some.

CM inherited a pretty decent roster and he's made the most of what he could with it. Pearl overachieved, but where has CM underachieved?

I'll reiterate your statement -> let's not compare the two, let's focus on who is here now.
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Buried it into the ground? He's the reason we have McRae and Maymon, the reason we had Golden, and a partial reason we currently have Stokes. He's a big reason that basketball has had a rejuvenated aura surrounding it for the past few years and why we're expected to make the tourney every year.

To even remotely suggest that Pearl ruined our program is biased and simply untrue.

And before all the anti-Pearl haters come out, I'll have to stipulate that Pearl wasn't a god nor is he Tennessee basketball. Yes, he made mistakes. Now that your terrible Straw-Man fallacies are out of the way, please do not invoke similar responses as is always done here.
 
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mtt2d said:
To agree with what's been stated on this board many times, Chris Lofton would have produced great numbers his sophomore year whether or not BP was here or not. Pearl wouldn't have been at UT very long had it not been for Lofton IMO.
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You have that backwards, without Pearl Lofton would have been putting up those numbers somewhere else. Jajuan too for that matter, they both said they had decided to transfer out before Pearl was hired.
 
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JoseDaMofo said:
Buried it into the ground? He's the reason we have McRae and Maymon, the reason we had Golden, and a partial reason we currently have Stokes. He's a big reason that basketball has had a rejuvenated aura surrounding it for the past few years and why we're expected to make the tourney every year.

To even remotely suggest that Pearl ruined our program is biased and simply untrue.

And before all the anti-Pearl haters come out, I'll have to stipulate that Pearl wasn't a god nor is he Tennessee basketball. Yes, he made mistakes. Now that your terrible Straw-Man fallacies are out of the way, please do not invoke similar responses as is always done here.
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With all due respect to what you said, where is UT basketball right now? Who's fault is it?
 
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Mods: Can we sticky a thread "Pearl vs. Martin"? That way the same posters that hijack every thread can have one of their own and we can stay on topic.
 
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