Still have faith in Cuonzo Martin?

[mcdoug]

Not trying to say that CCM is the next Coach K, but Bill Foster won 75 games in his last 3 years at Duke while his successor, Coach K, won 38 in his first 3 with the Dookies. Change can take longer to implement than many think especially when it's as dramatic as CBP vs CCM. IMO, it's too soon to be passing dire judgments.

 

[whobethis16]

Not trying to say that CCM is the next Coach K, but Bill Foster won 75 games in his last 3 years at Duke while his successor, Coach K, won 38 in his first 3 with the Dookies. Change can take longer to implement than many think especially when it's as dramatic as CBP vs CCM. IMO, it's too soon to be passing dire judgments.

Don't bring up Ks early record at Duke. You'll get slammed. Trust me.

 

[calban]

This. The team Pearl left Martin was godawful, but he also left him a brand new practice facility and a fanbase that actually cares about basketball now.

Godawful is harsh.
I'd accept inexperienced.
Maymon, McRae and Golden as a 2 would be a pretty productive line up. Martin's decision to keep Golden at PG and not recruit the position was his OWN and most damaging mistake.

 

[mtt2d]

I don't know....maybe the guy coaching the team?

CM hasn't underachieved. He's still working on rebuilding the program that BP buried in the ground.

 

[calban]

CM hasn't underachieved. He's still working on rebuilding the program that BP buried in the ground.

Hogwash.

 

[mtt2d]

Hogwash.

Come again? (That's what she said)

 

[Rudy123]

2011–2012 Tennessee 19–15 10–6 T–2nd NIT 2nd Round
2012–2013 Tennessee 20–13 11–7 T–5th NIT 1st Round

His coaching record at Tennessee: Overall (39–28)
SEC Play (21–13)

A pretty average record so far, Tennessee is a team that should be in the tournament every year. Do you have faith that Cuonzo will get it done next year?

I do not have much faith in Martin. However last season could be counted as year "zero" because we had a key injury to Maymon....

 

[johnnybravo]

CM hasn't underachieved. He's still working on rebuilding the program that BP buried in the ground.

We will be rebuilding again next year. If CCM stays or goes, next year will be a "rebuilding" year reguardless. The year before Pearl was fired TN had a top 10 recruiting class and came off an Elite 8 year. TN has missed 1 recruiting class. Only 1 when CCM was initially hired. We were 1 win away from the NCAA tourney CCM first year. So using the term "buried" is not correct at all. Look at Miss State this past year. That is a team that would be considered "buried".

 

[FRO]

Losing is not an option, but being chased out of town because your constantly going to the nit.........is.

 

[johnnybravo]

I do not have much faith in Martin. However last season could be counted as year "zero" because we had a key injury to Maymon....

We lost Golden this year. A two year starting pg with out a decent replacement for him, so we probably should keep the counter at 0 again.

 

[mtt2d]

We will be rebuilding again next year. If CCM stays or goes, next year will be a "rebuilding" year reguardless. The year before Pearl was fired TN had a top 10 recruiting class and came off an Elite 8 year. TN has missed 1 recruiting class. Only 1 when CCM was initially hired. We were 1 win away from the NCAA tourney CCM first year. So using the term "buried" is not correct at all. Look at Miss State this past year. That is a team that would be considered "buried".

You could be right about the program not being buried when CM took over. He had some good things to build around and work with for the most part.

OTOH, most predicted UT to finish at the bottom of the SEC two seasons ago. That may not have been buried, but it seemed pretty darn close to me.

We should find out how much faith we should have in CM soon. There aren't any more excuses.

 

[mtt2d]

" 2003 Tennessee Gatorade Player of the Year ... Named to the Associated Press All-State first team as a junior and senior ... TSWA all-state selection ... Selected MVP of the 2003 Class AAA tournament ... Named the No. 1 senior player in Memphis by the Commercial Appeal ... MIAA All-Metro selection ... 2003 McDonald's All-America nominee ... Ranked among the top 100 players in the Class of 2003 by Basketball Times ... Had his high school jersey retired ... 2002 Beach Ball Classic MVP ... Won three state championships in high school ... Led White Station to a 36-2 record and a Class AAA state championship as a senior ... Scored 12 points and had 11 rebounds in the championship game against Cleveland Bradley Central ... Led White Station to a No. 9 national ranking as a junior and a No. 10 ranking as a senior in USA Today's Super 25 rankings ... Led the Spartans to three state titles in his four seasons ... Averaged 10 points, 5.4 rebounds, 4.3 assists and 3.7 steals as a senior ... Named MVP of the 2003 Bass Pro Tournament of Champions ... Averaged 10.1 points, 4.6 assists and 3.2 steals as a junior ... Led White Station to a 36-2 record and a state title as a junior ... Named to the all-state tournament team as a junior ... One of 39 high school players selected to participate in the USA Basketball Youth Development Festival in Colorado Springs, Colo., before his senior season ... Led the South squad to a gold medal while averaging 12 points, four rebounds, three steals and two blocks ... Two-time attendee of the Nike All-America camp ... Coached by Terry Tippett."

Take 3 guesses who that is.

Dane Bradshaw?

 

[whobethis16]

Dane Bradshaw?

Exactly. People on this board would be drooling over a guy with that type of resume out of high school. Bradshaw and Humphrey were the two best players in the state, and Peterson chose Bradshaw. Not a bad deal.

 

[mcdoug]

Don't bring up Ks early record at Duke. You'll get slammed. Trust me.

I know, it's really kinda funny. All the naysayers insist it's not a BP vs CM thing but that's exactly what it is. If CCM had followed almost any other coach in TN history very few would be complaining right now. :crazy:

 

[knowthevols]

I know, it's really kinda funny. All the naysayers insist it's not a BP vs CM thing but that's exactly what it is. If CCM had followed almost any other coach in TN history very few would be complaining right now. :crazy:

Well the poll that finished up on the 16th of May had over 77% wanting Pearl back so what does that say.

 

[GoobieVol]

Godawful is harsh.
I'd accept inexperienced.
Maymon, McRae and Golden as a 2 would be a pretty productive line up. Martin's decision to keep Golden at PG and not recruit the position was his OWN and most damaging mistake.

I think you hit it right there. A decent back-up last year, and we win at least 2 more games.

Sometimes I wonder if CCM's personality were a little more outgoing and I'll just say more like Brice Pearl, if he might be given a little more slack? Like everybody else, I get aggravated at our inconsistant play at times. Having talent on the roster, but still not making the dance. But part of me thinks, if CCM played to our fans more, and didnt keep everything so secretive in his program that more people would be willing to look at CCM's time here a little different. While good coaches develope, who could argue that Kenny Hall was coachable? And at times, Trae Golden wasnt coachable. I'm referring to the head dropping and pouting after a few misses.


Not saying not to criticize CCM for the teams shortcomings. I'm just saying keep in perspective he has only coached 2 full seasons. We nearly made the dance both years, and seem to be running solid on the recruiting trail. Let see what happens when CCM has a roster full of his own guys.

 

[whobethis16]

Well the poll that finished up on the 16th of May had over 77% wanting Pearl back so what does that say.

Because despite what people say, it is a matter of Pearl vs Martin. It would've been the case no matter who was brought in if the results of the new coach were the same.

 

[whobethis16]

I think you hit it right there. A decent back-up last year, and we win at least 2 more games.

Sometimes I wonder if CCM's personality were a little more outgoing and I'll just say more like Brice Pearl, if he might be given a little more slack? Like everybody else, I get aggravated at our inconsistant play at times. Having talent on the roster, but still not making the dance. But part of me thinks, if CCM played to our fans more, and didnt keep everything so secretive in his program that more people would be willing to look at CCM's time here a little different. While good coaches develope, who could argue that Kenny Hall was coachable? And at times, Trae Golden wasnt coachable. I'm referring to the head dropping and pouting after a few misses.


Not saying not to criticize CCM for the teams shortcomings. I'm just saying keep in perspective he has only coached 2 full seasons. We nearly made the dance both years, and seem to be running solid on the recruiting trail. Let see what happens when CCM has a roster full of his own guys.

It doesn't help that most of the players Martin inherited weren't recruited to play his style, ie defense. People look at offensive stats and stars only. Martin has that set style and stays with it.

 

[calban]

It doesn't help that most of the players Martin inherited weren't recruited to play his style, ie defense. People look at offensive stats and stars only. Martin has that set style and stays with it.

It also doesn't help that CM doesn't seem able to recruit players FOR POSITION that fit his style.
2 out of 9 (Richie and Stokes) isn't very impressive.

 

[whobethis16]

It also doesn't help that CM doesn't seem able to recruit players FOR POSITION that fit his style.
2 out of 9 (Richie and Stokes) isn't very impressive.

Year 1: no time to do so. That's been established.

Year 2: maybe he saw that Golden would be serviceable at the position he needed the most, so he wasn't going to try to bring in a guy to sit behind Golden two years.

Year 3: He then proceeded to recruit the position to sit behind Golden for one year (Landry), and then the circus started. You act like you know what is in Martin's mind, but you don't. He's not stupid like many of you seem to think. Do I question it? Yeah, sometimes, but I don't castrate the man and throw him under the bus for it.

Edit: only picking on the PG position because that is the biggest need.

 

[calban]

Year 1: no time to do so. That's been established.

Year 2: maybe he saw that Golden would be serviceable at the position he needed the most, so he wasn't going to try to bring in a guy to sit behind Golden two years.

Year 3: He then proceeded to recruit the position to sit behind Golden for one year (Landry), and then the circus started. You act like you know what is in Martin's mind, but you don't. He's not stupid like many of you seem to think. Do I question it? Yeah, sometimes, but I don't castrate the man and throw him under the bus for it.

Edit: only picking on the PG position because that is the biggest need.

One position?
Chievous to play the 4?
Edwards for his perimeter shooting?
Moore to play point?
Reese (who knows)
Yemi ( a bust or why were we playing 4 guards?)
Once again this season in Ndiaye. 5 or 6 top 100 Jucos still available and he chooses an unrated project.
Don't think he's stupid, just not much at talent evaluation or development.

 

[BigZiti09]

One position?
Chievous to play the 4?
Edwards for his perimeter shooting?
Moore to play point?
Reese (who knows)
Yemi ( a bust or why were we playing 4 guards?)
Once again this season in Ndiaye. 5 or 6 top 100 Jucos still available and he chooses an unrated project.
Don't think he's stupid, just not much at talent evaluation or development.

His decisions have been head scratchers at times. I don't fault him for anyone brought in during that first class.

I think Moore is going to be a nice player. Reese and Edwards concern me. Hopefully, over time you will see less mistakes and reaches by Martin.

On taking Pops, I see where you're coming from, but if you're looking to replace Yemi and its mid April, you better just take what you can get at that point.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

One position?
Chievous to play the 4?
Edwards for his perimeter shooting?
Moore to play point?
Reese (who knows)
Yemi ( a bust or why were we playing 4 guards?)
Once again this season in Ndiaye. 5 or 6 top 100 Jucos still available and he chooses an unrated project.
Don't think he's stupid, just not much at talent evaluation or development.

Meant to post this the other day, was looming at jucojunction.com rankings and Ndiaye is actually in the top 100. Not sure how the rankings were figured, I assume evaluations, but was surprise considering his less than impressive stats.

Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com Ranking - 2013 JucoJunction Top 150

 

[BOP]

I'm not convinced there's gonna be this massive drop off after next year like many think. For the sake of argument we will say stokes stays, the 14 draft is gonna be loaded, so it seems possible.

Tennessee will return:

Thompson
Hubbs
Richardson
Davis
Stokes
Moore
Q
Reese
Ndiaye

They will bring in 4* wing Jordan Cornish, that's a definite. 4* forward Philip Cofer seems very likely, so I'll add him. I will stop there, but obviously impact guys like Lyle, Lindsey etc are still out there.

So rotation could be:

Thompson
Hubbs/ Cornish
Richardson/ Moore
Davis/ Cofer
Stokes

That's not some scrub team, or overly young team like Vanderbilt was last year. That's a team capable of being a bubble team IMO, and if you add a guy like Lyle he instantly makes that a tourney team. Now I agree there's a chance it could be a big drop off, stokes goes, Cornish is our best recruit and the others are 2*...but I think we will reload with the 2014 class nicely.

Please stop. That is an absolutely abysmal roster.

 

[johnnybravo]

His decisions have been head scratchers at times. I don't fault him for anyone brought in during that first class.

I think Moore is going to be a nice player. Reese and Edwards concern me. Hopefully, over time you will see less mistakes and reaches by Martin.

On taking Pops, I see where you're coming from, but if you're looking to replace Yemi and its mid April, you better just take what you can get at that point.

He knew that Yemi leaving could be a possibility in Feb. CCM didn't know if Maymon or Stokes would be on the roster last fall for this coming year. He did try to over recruit the post last fall by going after Nichols. He put all his eggs in one basket and let other talent slip away.... aka JW3. I strongly criticize CCM for his post and pg recruiting....or lack of.