Stokes dropping out?

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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Tell that to Shaq and Dwight Howard.

It is not only that but he has no post moves and his footwork is questionable at best. He gets away with it much easier at this level because he is bigger and stronger than everyone else. Won't be that way in the league. No way he is ready for the NBA.
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Well, it's been awhile ago and I don't remember who the analyst was, but I believe it was the Sports Animal that had an NBA analyst interviewing. They were talking about Stokes and the analyst said that he thought Stokes was more suited for the NBA game rather than the college game. He said that Stokes is a banger. He likes to get down low and bang. He likes to get physical. He gets called too much for it in college and sometimes gets frustrated from the fouls and not be as aggressive as he would like to where he wouldn't in the pros.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
But Shaq and Dwight also have abnormally large hands. Harder to shoot. Stokes may have an easier time learning to shoot
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Well he will learn, but it'll be over seas if he leaves most likely. Chism was a much better player then Stokes is right now, and he couldn't even get a D-League roster spot. You think because Stokes is big and has potential that he will just be drafted and make a team? It's the NBA man. Stokes can't jump, post up well, or hit FTs. At best, and I mean at best, he makes a NBA D-League roster, and then he has about 2-4 years to get massively better before he is pretty much out of contention of ever making a NBA team long term. Most NBA teams go after the youngest player possible with most upside. Stokes has to he's about 24-25 years old to get very good or he's looking at overseas play to make most money.
 
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With Stokes it is all about discipline and a genuine desire to put himself in the most advantageous position to succeed long term. Ultimately it is about respecting your coach and trusting his guidance when it comes to these types of decisions.

These are young kids with people pulling on them from different angles with motives that are not pure. Stokes belongs at UT next year despite the speculation on comparative draft strength between years. He is the type of player that belongs in class right now educating himself and learning to be disciplined (and continuing to work on his game).

UConn has had a structure where guys simply have not made mistakes when making these NBA draft decisions (This year Napier who will be 1 of the top guards in the country next year).Kevin Ollie is respected in that regard as was Calhoun (love him or hate him). It comes back to being surrounded by the right people. Coach Martin's best recruits this year will be bringing back all his best players. Not because it is in HIS best interest but because it is in STOKES & McRae's best interest for their future.

Stokes is late 2nd round at best right now (good chance not drafted at all despite what he may be hearing). Go to class and hit the gym and be part of a Final4 caliber TEAM and Stokes WILL be a 1st rounder next year with guaranteed $. The guy has tons of potential. Work for it this off season! Enjoy college it is where you belong for 1 more season.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Agree. His reasons for leaving are very similar to Harris and Hopson's reasons. The chance to enter a weak draft class and avoid a strong one. Let's hope he is viewed by the NBA as a first-rounder if he leaves.
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It'd be interesting to see where Tobais would be drafted in this class if he'd stayed through this year. I think he'd likely be an all-american this year and would have a chance to be taken in the first 5 picks let alone the lottery. This is a popular discussion on the RealGM boards lately. Some have even questioned if he could be taken number one overall.
 
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keckjm said:
Well he will learn, but it'll be over seas if he leaves most likely. Chism was a much better player then Stokes is right now, and he couldn't even get a D-League roster spot. You think because Stokes is big and has potential that he will just be drafted and make a team? It's the NBA man. Stokes can't jump, post up well, or hit FTs. At best, and I mean at best, he makes a NBA D-League roster, and then he has about 2-4 years to get massively better before he is pretty much out of contention of ever making a NBA team long term. Most NBA teams go after the youngest player possible with most upside. Stokes has to he's about 24-25 years old to get very good or he's looking at overseas play to make most money.
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Where did I say stokes should leave? Where did I say Stokes is big and has potiential tha he will be drafted? I don't want stokes to leave I don't think he is ready. All I said was he could possibly learn to have an outside shot.
 
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GoobieVol said:
He will. I hear the baskets are bigger in Italy.
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MannyD said:
It'd be interesting to see where Tobais would be drafted in this class if he'd stayed through this year. I think he'd likely be an all-american this year and would have a chance to be taken in the first 5 picks let alone the lottery. This is a popular discussion on the RealGM boards lately. Some have even questioned if he could be taken number one overall.
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That would be an interesting discussion. Of course, its very difficult to predict one year, let alone two more years in advance. I think you're right though. He would have been an AA, Tennessee would have benefitted, and his draft stock would likely have as well.
 
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keckjm said:
Well he will learn, but it'll be over seas if he leaves most likely. Chism was a much better player then Stokes is right now, and he couldn't even get a D-League roster spot. You think because Stokes is big and has potential that he will just be drafted and make a team? It's the NBA man. Stokes can't jump, post up well, or hit FTs. At best, and I mean at best, he makes a NBA D-League roster, and then he has about 2-4 years to get massively better before he is pretty much out of contention of ever making a NBA team long term. Most NBA teams go after the youngest player possible with most upside. Stokes has to he's about 24-25 years old to get very good or he's looking at overseas play to make most money.
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Stokes and Chism are a pretty good measurement. Chism was far more advanced and versatile. Stokes is a better rebounder and that's about it. If I'm CCM, I use Wayne as case-in-point as to why Stokes isn't ready. I'd say his mind is made up unfortunately. Let's just hope he's made it up to return.
 
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Chism never had as much potential as Stokes.

He was here for 4 years, but only gave 100% every game for the last 3 months of his career. That's the main reason he couldn't get on an NBA roster (granted he had a decent run in the summer league, ended up being unfortunate in drawing Tiny as his main competition).
 
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Its always something with Tennessee. Very disappointed if its true...
 
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I think Stokes is going to test the NBA waters. If he doesn't sign with an agent he can return.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Chism never had as much potential as Stokes.

He was here for 4 years, but only gave 100% every game for the last 3 months of his career. That's the main reason he couldn't get on an NBA roster (granted he had a decent run in the summer league, ended up being unfortunate in drawing Tiny as his main competition).
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Not sure I agree. I think they had near equal potential, but as you said, Chism never capitalized on his until the verdict was essentially out on him.

Chism was twice the athlete, a better shooter, better FT shooter (who actually improved his % each season but one I believe), better at putting the ball on the floor. He was an actual threat outside of 5 feet. He was a better defender.

Stokes is better rebounder, and has time to improve on the other things, but I think leaving is a mistake for him. If Chism was a four-year player, Stokes has looked every bit one at times. He just doesn't have the versatility the NBA is looking for right now.
 
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We'll know everything by April 17th. I don't think he has went anywhere yet looks like Izzy is cooking a dinner for him or something to that effect.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Not sure I agree. I think they had near equal potential, but as you said, Chism never capitalized on his until the verdict was essentially out on him.

Chism was twice the athlete, a better shooter, better FT shooter (who actually improved his % each season but one I believe), better at putting the ball on the floor. He was an actual threat outside of 5 feet. He was a better defender.

Stokes is better rebounder, and has time to improve on the other things, but I think leaving is a mistake for him. If Chism was a four-year player, Stokes has looked every bit one at times. He just doesn't have the versatility the NBA is looking for right now.
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Ok, I can agree with that.
 
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But, I will say I think Stokes would have more productive longevity. I can see him effectively banging in the paint 5-8 years from now.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
But, I will say I think Stokes would have more productive longevity. I can see him effectively banging in the paint 5-8 years from now.
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Agree. He really needs to refine his offensive post moves though. There is a place in the NBA for rebounding specialists, but they are often elite defenders if their offensive game isn't developed (Rodman & Ben Wallace comes to mind). Every shot Stokes takes is very slow and drawn out. His footwork is very underdeveloped too, and I often wonder if his foot size is the cause of that. He needs to be more than a rebounder to survive in the NBA.
 
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MannyD said:
It'd be interesting to see where Tobais would be drafted in this class if he'd stayed through this year. I think he'd likely be an all-american this year and would have a chance to be taken in the first 5 picks let alone the lottery. This is a popular discussion on the RealGM boards lately. Some have even questioned if he could be taken number one overall.
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He couldn't.
 
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Kendrick Perkins comes to mind. But, he has two things on Stokes- a little taller and plays great defense. His offense is non existent, but he plays that tough defender and rebounder role. I personally don't like the guy because he complains alot. But, that is who I think of Stokes trying to be.

Unfortunately, there aren't many of those guys, so you have to do something real well. Stokes, kind of like Adonis Thomas now, can make good money overseas. But, I think he needs at least one more year to hone his skills. As I have said before, Stokes has an advantage because he is so young. In a way, he can get in an "extra year" than most guys. He can play 3 years in college and still get drafted at age 20. He would then start an NBA season at age 20.
 
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Stokes just put a picture up of him and his girl after a workout at TBA....so.
 
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colvol said:
Stokes just put a picture up of him and his girl after a workout at TBA....so.
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Yea he's definitely in Knoxville and going to classes, so all that was BS.

Now he may go, but I hardly think a decision has been reached...think we will hear something in the next week officially.
 
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