Stop with the complaining over 3* recruits

[Catbone]

We will be called Vandy east

 

[butchna]

Might as well shut down the entire Tennesse University system. Knoxville, Chattanooga, and Martin. Heck. Remove all institutions of higher learning from the state of Tennessee!

Not doing that well anyway. Trade schools are about all we deserve. Maybe no one will overrate us if we quit putting ourself out there.

 

[BIGORANGEBUBBA]

I may get scorched but I really believe if everyone sticks this class can be solid. Obviously there is a lack of star power and Dabo the d#ckhead has grabbed some guys we all wanted as well as Georgia. However, this class is heavy in the trenches with roughly 10 guys on both lines. Of those offensive and defensive linemen they have been highly sought with the exception of one or two. The class may not rank in the top 5 or even the top ten when all is said and done but it is heavy with quality big men. The key in my opinion is adding Trey Smith,Ty Chandler, and hoping for a signing day miracle to include Akers.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Defending NC is Alabama...


They will field a starting Defense comprised of all 5*.

/thread.

Yeah because that's definitely the norm right? Good lord have mercy.

 

[Bluff City Vol]

I agree with you a 100% I don't believe in ratings ..for example they have Brandon Johnson at 3 star but he play like a 5 star no way he should have been a 3 star player... lower rated players are more hungry always play with a chip on there shoulder. MICHIGAN STATE rarely have high rated players but always compete every year to win championships..all about coaching and developing look at all those great players you name out that's in the league besides SUTTON which he is a beast! FOOTBALL SEASON HURRY PLEASE GO VOLS!

Can't be said any better than that. Great post.

 

[Jackcrevol]

the problem with three stars, is that they arent five stars.

that is all

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

I have no idea if the guys holding the camps or training these guys steer them to a school or not. If it happens I can't say I'd be surprised or even really against it. Same with high school coaches who hold the door open for some schools and not for others. It's about trust, relationships, and who they have a good history and or experience with. If I were a coach in that sort of situation I am sure I would favor some staffs over others.

If lets say Michigan recruited, offered, and signed one of my high 3* guys in 2016 and return in 2017 to come after my 5* guy does every school start on an even playing field? IMO no. I'm holding the door open for Michigan and not so much for the schools who were nowhere to be found the previous year. I could see some of these guys doing the camp and training stuff the same way.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

My solution, simple.

Rogers would have been a priority as a slot WR.

Richardson would have been a priority as a RB.

I would not have seen either as "no big loss".

Taking a commitment from both as they CAN play at Tennessee, I likely secure Higgins as well.

It's called locking down the state. It's signing talented recruits and coaching them to succeed and win.

Even a situation like Jordan Williams. If you're signing higher rated talent in 2017, maybe he's a Vol instead of a tiger. I can see why top rated guys are shying away right now. On paper, it looks rough.

 

[volfanCLT]

My solution, simple.

Rogers would have been a priority as a slot WR.

Richardson would have been a priority as a RB.

I would not have seen either as "no big loss".

Taking a commitment from both as they CAN play at Tennessee, I likely secure Higgins as well.

It's called locking down the state. It's signing talented recruits and coaching them to succeed and win.

Even a situation like Jordan Williams. If you're signing higher rated talent in 2017, maybe he's a Vol instead of a tiger. I can see why top rated guys are shying away right now. On paper, it looks rough.

Do you mind if I copy this text in an email to Butch? Don't worry, I'll give you credit.

I mean, I feel like he should know how "simple" this recruiting thing is now.

 

[vols 30]

My solution, simple.

Rogers would have been a priority as a slot WR.

Richardson would have been a priority as a RB.

I would not have seen either as "no big loss".

Taking a commitment from both as they CAN play at Tennessee, I likely secure Higgins as well.

It's called locking down the state. It's signing talented recruits and coaching them to succeed and win.

Even a situation like Jordan Williams. If you're signing higher rated talent in 2017, maybe he's a Vol instead of a tiger. I can see why top rated guys are shying away right now. On paper, it looks rough.

"No big loss" seems to be popping up too many times this year. These next few months should be interesting. Maybe some of bigger names have a change of heart.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

"No big loss" seems to be popping up too many times this year. These next few months should be interesting. Maybe some of bigger names have a change of heart.

I'm hoping for the best. Lots of top talent coming off the board. They aren't waiting like a lot of fans were hoping. With the staff taking so many by July I think they are in the process of learning a hard lesson this cycle. We'll see how they close it out.

 

[Dust10]

I have no idea if the guys holding the camps or training these guys steer them to a school or not. If it happens I can't say I'd be surprised or even really against it. Same with high school coaches who hold the door open for some schools and not for others. It's about trust, relationships, and who they have a good history and or experience with. If I were a coach in that sort of situation I am sure I would favor some staffs over others.

If lets say Michigan recruited, offered, and signed one of my high 3* guys in 2016 and return in 2017 to come after my 5* guy does every school start on an even playing field? IMO no. I'm holding the door open for Michigan and not so much for the schools who were nowhere to be found the previous year. I could see some of these guys doing the camp and training stuff the same way.

So you'd hinder the recruitment of one kid because a school did not recruit one of your other kids before? Definitely the right thing to do. Give yourself a pat on the back Leb.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

So you'd hinder the recruitment of one kid because a school did not recruit one of your other kids before? Definitely the right thing to do. Give yourself a pat on the back Leb.

I wouldn't stop a kid from going anywhere. I just wouldn't roll out the red carpet for schools who rarely if ever show up. As I said trust is a big part of it. I'd actually tell staffs early on, don't offer unless you mean it. IMO it would weed out a lot of the nonsense.

 

[Dust10]

I wouldn't stop a kid from going anywhere. I just wouldn't roll out the red carpet for schools who rarely if ever show up. As I said trust is a big part of it. I'd actually tell staffs early on, don't offer unless you mean it. IMO it would weed out a lot of the nonsense.

Wait, so you want the big boys to recruit your 3 stars to earn your trust to recruit your 5 stars, but then you only want them around if your 3 stars have legit offers? That sum it up?

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

Wait, so you want the big boys to recruit your 3 stars to earn your trust to recruit your 5 stars, but then you only want them around if your 3 stars have legit offers? That sum it up?

If the offer isn't committable the day it's given, don't bother. JMO

 

[Dust10]

If the offer isn't committable the day it's given, don't bother. JMO

What are you doing if it's not? You previously said you aren't stopping anyone from recruiting your kids.

 

[LittleVol]

I may get scorched but I really believe if everyone sticks this class can be solid. Obviously there is a lack of star power and Dabo the d#ckhead has grabbed some guys we all wanted as well as Georgia. However, this class is heavy in the trenches with roughly 10 guys on both lines. Of those offensive and defensive linemen they have been highly sought with the exception of one or two. The class may not rank in the top 5 or even the top ten when all is said and done but it is heavy with quality big men. The key in my opinion is adding Trey Smith,Ty Chandler, and hoping for a signing day miracle to include Akers.

You make great points.
Championship teams are built in thr trenches. And we have some big quality lineman commited. Let them develop under the outstanding group we have and we have the makings of a top shelf program.

We're signing a lot of speed as well.
Jackson, Murphy, and Cottman are explosive.

Theres a couple of guys I hope we drop, but overall i like what we have right now.

And will improve come February.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

What are you doing if it's not? You previously said you aren't stopping anyone from recruiting your kids.

I'm going to ask. If it's not committable the day it's made I'll be sure the recruit knows it's a garbage offer. As I've made it clear garbage offers are not welcome, the staff has now put itself in a bad spot as far as I'm concerned going forward. Dishonesty WILL have me restricting a schools access to my players. College coaches learn. They would quickly learn don't come to my school BSing.

 

[bignewt]

I'm hoping for the best. Lots of top talent coming off the board. They aren't waiting like a lot of fans were hoping. With the staff taking so many by July I think they are in the process of learning a hard lesson this cycle. We'll see how they close it out.

Learning a lesson? Yeah good thing too huh seeing as these coaches are new to all this recruiting stuff.

 

[CrunchingTheVolz]

Learning a lesson? Yeah good thing too huh seeing as these coaches are new to all this recruiting stuff.

Recruiting changes. Coaches will need to be willing to change with it. Especially if what you're doing isn't working. I'd think our current situation should have them rethinking what they are doing.

 

[volfan102455]

Defending NC is Alabama...


They will field a starting Defense comprised of all 5*.

/thread.

So they are playing the 2 new Freshman (2016 class) and have a defense that is comprised of only 1 DT and 1 DE?

Between 2013 - 2016 they have signed 20 5* and 8 are offense and 1 labeled as ATH. The other are defense but they would have to start them all to have a defense completely comprised of 5*. 3 are OLB, 2 ILB, 4 CB, 1 DT and 1 DE.

Maybe you meant comprised of 5* and 4*?

 

[volfan102455]

I think some of you over estimate how many 5* actually end up at some of these schools each year. There are only a handful of schools that end up with more than a couple each year.

And yes - Alabama is one of those schools. But outside of Alabama no other school is very consistent in that area.

 

[volfan102455]

See where the last 10 teams to win a national championship averaged in recruiting and get back to me. This has been argued over and over in the media and the answer is top 5, maybe top 10 once or twice, so just quit.

Past 10 teams - only 2 champions averaged in the top 5, that was Alabama. 2 were in the greater than 10 average (17 and 13). The other 6 averaged in the 6 - 8 range with interestingly 4 of them averaging around 7. An average around 7 appears to be the lucky number.

Of the 10 teams only Alabama was in the top 10 all recruiting years associated with two of their titles and that was 2012 and 2015. All other 8 years the school had at least 1 year, some more, where they did not rank in the top 10.

If you go back 13 years, you pick up 2 other teams that failed to meet the average in the top 10.

I think recruiting helps but IMO it is more a matter of getting the right group of players that compliment each other within the offensive and defensive schemes that are played.

If NC = recruiting rating, then why do the teams need coaching? Just let them go out there and line up and play.

 

[BigOrangeCrush32]

So they are playing the 2 new Freshman (2016 class) and have a defense that is comprised of only 1 DT and 1 DE?

Between 2013 - 2016 they have signed 20 5* and 8 are offense and 1 labeled as ATH. The other are defense but they would have to start them all to have a defense completely comprised of 5*. 3 are OLB, 2 ILB, 4 CB, 1 DT and 1 DE.

Maybe you meant comprised of 5* and 4*?

Nope...it was reported, ESPN College Football I believe, that this could be the case. They could field a starting Defense comprised of 5* recruits at every position.

 

[volfan102455]

Nope...it was reported, ESPN College Football I believe, that this could be the case. They could field a starting Defense comprised of 5* recruits at every position.

I looked at the recruiting sites for those years. The numbers don't add up.

Current projected starters on defense for Alabama has 1 3*, 2 4* and 8 5*.