Sudden Death Syndrome

What's causing the increase in sudden death and heart attacks

  • It's definitely being caused by the vaccine

    Votes: 45 34.1%

  • It's being caused by the virus itself

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • It could be either of the above

    Votes: 45 34.1%

  • I don't question the safety of the vaccine

    Votes: 3 2.3%

  • I like pie

    Votes: 24 18.2%

  • There is no increase in sudden deaths and you conspiracy theorists are just super paranoid

    Votes: 15 11.4%
  • Total voters
    132
#752
#752
SpaceCoastVol said:
If you are skeptical of 'died from the vaccine' how can you not be skeptical of 'died from FauciFlu'? Why don't you talk about that in the same breath?
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I’ve said in previous posts we don’t know long term effects of either Covid or vaccine
 
#753
#753
Rasputin_Vol said:
There is a control group out here that did NOT get the jab. It wouldn't be hard to monitor and compare.
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Who is monitoring it? It would be impossible.

I have family members who are vaxxed and not vaxxed. If any of them died suddenly and unexpectedly from cardiac arrest and someone contacted me asking if they were vaxxed or not, I’d tell them to F off and have some respect for a grieving family. Perhaps there are others who disagree.

Also who is collecting that info? What about those that have already passed that had both? What about those that have had Covid but were asymptomatic so they didn’t know (goes for both those later vaxxed and not vaxxed)? What about people who would lie about being vaxxed one way or the other?

I don’t see any way collecting that information would be possible nor reliable.
 
#755
#755
25-Year-Old Goalkeeper Dies Suddenly Right After Stopping a Penalty Kick

[Translation]The disbelief is great and the sadness immense at the West Flemish amateur club Winkel Sint-Eloois. The club plays in the first national but also has a B team in the second provincial. All young friends from the municipality who have been playing together since childhood. On Saturday evening, the team received Westrozebeke at 6 PM. After 45 minutes the score was 2-1 and after fifteen minutes into the second half there was a penalty for the visitors. Home goalkeeper Arne Espeel stopped Mohammed El Baghdadi’s penalty kick and shouted yes when he suddenly went down again. He was shaking and no one quite knew what was happening. When Espeel remained lying down, the seriousness of the situation was seen and the first care was given to him. The emergency services also arrived on site and did everything possible with, among other things, a defibrillator, but the help was to no avail.
His younger brother Aaron (20) sat back on the bench for the first time in weeks after an injury and saw everything happen before his eyes.
“This is a disaster and a shock to everyone,” said Patrick Rotsaert, sports manager of Winkel.
“Arne had been with the club all his life and was very loved. He was a wonderfully sympathetic boy, always in a good mood and willing to help. This is really a heavy blow. First of all for his family and also our entire club.”
Naturally, the match was stopped.
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#757
#757
Rasputin_Vol said:
There is a control group out here that did NOT get the jab. It wouldn't be hard to monitor and compare.
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And if we are all being honest here, the majority of the people who are having heart issues just happen to also have been vaccinated. I know a handful of people personally who have had heart heart attacks or various other health issues over the past 2 years and every single one of them is vaccinated. Is that just a coincidence? I would also challenge anybody who wants to argue this point that for every unvaccinated person you can find with health issues I can find 15 vaccinated with health issues
 
#758
#758
MarcoVol said:
If any of them died suddenly and unexpectedly from cardiac arrest and someone contacted me asking if they were vaxxed or not, I’d tell them to F off and have some respect for a grieving family. Perhaps there are others who disagree.
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What was your response the first time you were asked to provide proof of vaccination?
 
#759
#759
VolinWayne said:
What was your response the first time you were asked to provide proof of vaccination?
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I’ve never been asked except to work in a hospital setting. I’m required to have received and show proof of all vaccinations to do that.
 
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#762
#762
MarcoVol said:
I explained in my post
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Your explanation was lacking. You kept asking who is collecting the data... that is problem number 1. The people pumping out the C-19 fear and propaganda have no incentive to go out and do research on the unvaccinated that may prove their narrative wrong. Second, you act as though getting 1000 unvaccinated people right now and collecting medical data over time is like pulling hens' teeth.
 
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#763
Rasputin_Vol said:
Your explanation was lacking. You kept asking who is collecting the data... that is problem number 1. The people pumping out the C-19 fear and propaganda have no incentive to go out and do research on the unvaccinated that may prove their narrative wrong. Second, you act as though getting 1000 unvaccinated people right now and collecting medical data over time is like pulling hens' teeth.
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Who are “the people” pumping out C-19 data? Scientists? The government? I’m actually asking who you think would collect that data.

1000 unvaccinated people that what? It’d also be easy to find 1000 vaccinated people who don’t have any health issues. So info would need to come from the families of those who have died from cardiac arrest. Good luck getting them to talk or to care about your study.

And people now don’t believe the scientists when data comes out. What would make your study any different?

You are way oversimplifying an extraordinarily complex issue.
 
#764
#764
MarcoVol said:
Who are “the people” pumping out C-19 data? Scientists? The government? I’m actually asking who you think would collect that data.

1000 unvaccinated people that what? It’d also be easy to find 1000 vaccinated people who don’t have any health issues. So info would need to come from the families of those who have died from cardiac arrest. Good luck getting them to talk or to care about your study.

And people now don’t believe the scientists when data comes out. What would make your study any different?

You are way oversimplifying an extraordinarily complex issue.
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You keep talking about dead people and I'm talking about getting the living and collecting data and monitoring them.

And "the people" would be the govt obviously.
 
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#765
MarcoVol said:
Who are “the people” pumping out C-19 data? Scientists? The government? I’m actually asking who you think would collect that data.

1000 unvaccinated people that what? It’d also be easy to find 1000 vaccinated people who don’t have any health issues. So info would need to come from the families of those who have died from cardiac arrest. Good luck getting them to talk or to care about your study.

And people now don’t believe the scientists when data comes out. What would make your study any different?

You are way oversimplifying an extraordinarily complex issue.
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It should have been done in a longitudinal study prior to making the vaccine available to the public.
 
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#766
Rasputin_Vol said:
You keep talking about dead people and I'm talking about getting the living and collecting data and monitoring them.

And "the people" would be the govt obviously.
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Picking 1000 vaxxed and 1000 in vaxxed wouldn’t prove anything tho. Like I said, you could have 1000 of both with no health issues whatsoever until they reach old age.

And so now folks are gonna trust the government to monitor their health? Even tho they don’t trust the government on covid info already? Whaaaat?
 
#768
#768
MarcoVol said:
And so now folks are gonna trust the government to monitor their health? Even tho they don’t trust the government on covid info already? Whaaaat?
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Look at my reply from earlier... the people that should be collecting the data can't be trusted and have no incentive to get to the truth.

Rasputin_Vol said:
Your explanation was lacking. You kept asking who is collecting the data... that is problem number 1. The people pumping out the C-19 fear and propaganda have no incentive to go out and do research on the unvaccinated that may prove their narrative wrong. Second, you act as though getting 1000 unvaccinated people right now and collecting medical data over time is like pulling hens' teeth.
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#769
#769
Rasputin_Vol said:
Look at my reply from earlier... the people that should be collecting the data can't be trusted and have no incentive to get to the truth.
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Yes I understood. So in this study you’re now speaking of (which again doesn’t make sense bc you can easily find 1000 vaxxed and un-vaxxed that will have no health issues long term), who collects the data?
 
#770
#770
MarcoVol said:
Yes I understood. So in this study you’re now speaking of (which again doesn’t make sense bc you can easily find 1000 vaxxed and un-vaxxed that will have no health issues long term), who collects the data?
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It should be open to anyone to do the research. Not sure where you are going with this...

And about the 1000 people, I was simply throwing out a number. If you think 1001 would be a better sample size or if you want to use another method, I'm open to it. But your assertion that getting the data accurate from unvaccinated and vaccinated is not rooted in truth at all. And for some odd reason, you gravitated to doing the research on dead people when you know that you can run studies on the living and segregate amongst several groups.
 
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#772
Rasputin_Vol said:
It should be open to anyone to do the research. Not sure where you are going with this...

And about the 1000 people, I was simply throwing out a number. If you think 1001 would be a better sample size or if you want to use another method, I'm open to it. But your assertion that getting the data accurate from unvaccinated and vaccinated is not rooted in truth at all. And for some odd reason, you gravitated to doing the research on dead people when you know that you can run studies on the living and segregate amongst several groups.
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Who does the research matters. Bc they have to talk to people. Are people gonna be willing to talk to just anyone about their own medical and vaccination history? Lol what world are you living in? There is no accurate way to get info on this bc the institutions that *could*, half the population doesn’t trust.
 
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