Supreme Court kills affirmative action in university admissions

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sonofUT62 said:
I don’t think I would be talking about anyone else struggling. He said finally we can move toward the promise of the Constitution and the DOI and your ears heard “The South shall rise again “.
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Usually when someone makes a post, it is them saying that.

See how unnecessary and condescending your post was?
 
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McDad said:
Not directed at you just saw an opportunity to share something no one else has.

Harvard as a private institution should be able to discriminate who they want when they want where they want and why they want. However they should never get any public education funds or student loan money while doing so.
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in theory I agree but the reality is they are dependent on Federal funding (eg. NIH, NSF, etc)

I bigger question is can a research university ever operate free of some reliance on government funding? It's one of the pernicious effects of an ever growing Federal government - eventually ever industry falls under the dependence umbrella and therefore subject to the whims of the giver.
 
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luthervol said:
lol....Just making it clear for those who struggle.
I'll take it one more step for you....
Affirmative action wasn't a step away from colorblindness; it was compensation for a history of color obsession and a necessary step for becoming more colorblind.
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so by paying attention to color we were becoming colorblind?
 
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McDad said:
Not directed at you just saw an opportunity to share something no one else has.

Harvard as a private institution should be able to discriminate who they want when they want where they want and why they want. However they should never get any public education funds or student loan money while doing so.
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Agreed.

And I think we’re on the same page with regards to how much latitude private business should similarly be given.

I believe Harvard accepts public funding. Hence the entanglement here.
 
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volinbham said:
in theory I agree but the reality is they are dependent on Federal funding (eg. NIH, NSF, etc)

I bigger question is can a research university ever operate free of some reliance on government funding? It's one of the pernicious effects of an ever growing Federal government - eventually ever industry falls under the dependence umbrella and therefore subject to the whims of the giver.
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An interesting angle.

I could see where no federal funds for the university for education and no federal student loans for the enrolled.
I would not favor tying other federal funding to the unconstitutional educational discrimination though.
 
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McDad said:
An interesting angle.

I could see where no federal funds for the university for education and no federal student loans for the enrolled.
I would not favor tying other federal funding to the unconstitutional educational discrimination though.
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I don't see how the student loans could be barred from a university not complying, technically the money comes from the student since they are borrowing it.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't see how the student loans could be barred from a university not complying, technically the money comes from the student since they are borrowing it.
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The government subsidizes the money in about 9 different ways.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
The government subsidizes the money in about 9 different ways.
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I know the Feds guarantee the loans but if the loan has to be paid back in full with interest how can you consider that subsidized?
 
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volinbham said:
in theory I agree but the reality is they are dependent on Federal funding (eg. NIH, NSF, etc)

I bigger question is can a research university ever operate free of some reliance on government funding? It's one of the pernicious effects of an ever growing Federal government - eventually ever industry falls under the dependence umbrella and therefore subject to the whims of the giver.
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It’s not that hard to work around. They can just start giving preference to students who excel at low quality, majority black schools. They don’t have to identify the schools as majority black, just create a list. They can justify it by saying they they’re looking for quality minds, not a paper trail and just grade on a curve for those schools. It’s not that different from what happens with gerrymandering.
 
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hog88 said:
I know the Feds guarantee the loans but if the loan has to be paid back in full with interest how can you consider that subsidized?
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If you die or become disabled the government pays the lender. I don’t remember what year, but there was a time when you could declare bankruptcy on Fed backed loans. W cut a deal to make them unbankruptable in exchange for being allowed to invade a couple of countries. And yes I know that’s not actually a word.
 
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Well done. @sonofUT62

Room for improvement, but a solid effort that met the stated requirements.

Now, did you receive help? Or did you accomplish that on your own merit?
 
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