Supreme Court kills affirmative action in university admissions

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luthervol said:
Yes, by changing the way we paid attention to color we were paving the way to becoming more colorblind.
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by excluding Asians based on their skin color? or by assuming that in a fair market certain minorities wouldn't be able to perform well enough on their own to meet a common standard? or do you mean wrapping those minorities in so many layers of hidden racism they are stuck in the generational welfare trap the Dem's built for them in order to keep them voting for the right party?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
It’s not that hard to work around. They can just start giving preference to students who excel at low quality, majority black schools. They don’t have to identify the schools as majority black, just create a list. They can justify it by saying they they’re looking for quality minds, not a paper trail and just grade on a curve for those schools. It’s not that different from what happens with gerrymandering.
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If it creates the same results, could Asian Americans come right back and claim some sort of adverse treatment or impact?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
... and Republicans think they will make some gains with black voters in 2024? What a joke.
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So they only way to get traction with the black community is to tell them they're not good enough to compete without assistance? IDK about that but you've been a Dem for a long time so I'll take your word for it.
 
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luthervol said:
He would have understood the post perfectly.

The 1960's version of today's rightwinger ;) hated MLK; he would have appreciated the progress.
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Sooo because one group or another hated him they just handed you a license to completely say the opposite of what he said and act like you’re some kind of ally? Where can I get me one of those licenses?
 
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LouderVol said:
by excluding Asians based on their skin color? or by assuming that in a fair market certain minorities wouldn't be able to perform well enough on their own to meet a common standard? or do you mean wrapping those minorities in so many layers of hidden racism they are stuck in the generational welfare trap the Dem's built for them in order to keep them voting for the right party?
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Not like any of those.....they're all pretty stupid.

I'll give you guys the best analogy I can think of at the momment.

View it as a big relay race.
The team in white jumped the gun and started the race before any of the other teams had even taken their positions on the track.
The race could not be stopped and restarted.
It was decided that the fairest thing was to stop the team in white for a period that came close to matching their head start.
The guy running the second leg for the team in white had the batton and could be heard screaming, "this isn't fair, I did nothing wrong, it was our first leg."
Meanwhile, there was great debate and no agreement over when the race should fully resume for the team in white.
 
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luthervol said:
Not like any of those.....they're all pretty stupid.

I'll give you guys the best analogy I can think of at the momment.

View it as a big relay race.
The team in white jumped the gun and started the race before any of the other teams had even taken their positions on the track.
The race could not be stopped and restarted.
It was decided that the fairest thing was to stop the team in white for a period that came close to matching their head start.
The guy running the second leg for the team in white had the batton and could be heard screaming, "this isn't fair, I did nothing wrong, it was our first leg."
Meanwhile, there was great debate and no agreement over when the race should fully resume for the team in white.
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This is the worst best analogy example ever recorded in the history of analogies.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Sooo because one group or another hated him they just handed you a license to completely say the opposite of what he said and act like you’re some kind of ally? Where can I get me one of those licenses?
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To be sure, the vast majority of civil rights leaders favored affirmative action: as Martin Luther King Jr wrote, “A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him.”

I think MLK and I view it similarly. It's others who are trying to bastardize his message.
 
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hog88 said:
So they only way to get traction with the black community is to tell them they're not good enough to compete without assistance? IDK about that but you've been a Dem for a long time so I'll take your word for it.
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You can whine about it, if you want to ...

Affirmative Action is very popular within the black community. The polls have consistently shown that for decades now.
 
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luthervol said:
Not like any of those.....they're all pretty stupid.

I'll give you guys the best analogy I can think of at the momment.

View it as a big relay race.
The team in white jumped the gun and started the race before any of the other teams had even taken their positions on the track.
The race could not be stopped and restarted.
It was decided that the fairest thing was to stop the team in white for a period that came close to matching their head start.
The guy running the second leg for the team in white had the batton and could be heard screaming, "this isn't fair, I did nothing wrong, it was our first leg."
Meanwhile, there was great debate and no agreement over when the race should fully resume for the team in white.
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85SugarVol said:
If it creates the same results, could Asian Americans come right back and claim some sort of adverse treatment or impact?
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I don’t think so, based on their elections cases.

Alabama was denying representation to black people because they were democrats and IIRC, the court said that because of the state’s history they had to account for race in redrawing the districts and make sure that minority voters weren’t underrepresented.

On the other hand, it’s hard for me to square the UNC case with what they did in the Alabama redistricting case.
 
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luthervol said:
To be sure, the vast majority of civil rights leaders favored affirmative action: as Martin Luther King Jr wrote, “A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him.”

I think MLK and I view it similarly. It's others who are trying to bastardize his message.
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By something special he’s generally considered to have meant finally providing the equality they had been denied for 200 years. Not the condescending pandering of giving someone something strictly based off the color of their skin.
 
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luthervol said:
Not like any of those.....they're all pretty stupid.

I'll give you guys the best analogy I can think of at the momment.

View it as a big relay race.
The team in white jumped the gun and started the race before any of the other teams had even taken their positions on the track.
The race could not be stopped and restarted.
It was decided that the fairest thing was to stop the team in white for a period that came close to matching their head start.
The guy running the second leg for the team in white had the batton and could be heard screaming, "this isn't fair, I did nothing wrong, it was our first leg."
Meanwhile, there was great debate and no agreement over when the race should fully resume for the team in white.
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Reading this feels like the guy in “Princess Bride” trying to figure out which glass of wine to drink out of. I’m dizzy.
 
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