Syrian Kurds are close to declaring Independence

[37L1]

Assad's was elected and the people there dont seem to mind him being in power. Only the western funded militias and Israel seem to have an issue with him.

The others that did mind are dead.

 

[carlos86]

What choice did we have Syria told us to get out that they could control their borders...we can't demand they divide the country into Syria and Kurdistan

We aren't even leaving Syria. We are handing control of Northen Syria to Turkey.

 

[Velo Vol]

Large enough to take care of promises made to veterans and enough to defend borders, territorial waters and airspace.

So like 25% of what it is now?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Tell me again why we should listen to anything Assad has to say after the brutality he imposed on his own people.

For that matter, why do we respect the sovereignty of Saudi Arabia yet go so zealously after Assad? If you are not bellyaching about The KSA, then pipe it down about Syria.

 

[carlos86]

Assad's was elected and the people there dont seem to mind him being in power. Only the western funded militias and Israel seem to have an issue with him.

Yea Assad election was about as fair as Putins.

 

[Grand Vol]

I truly feel bad for the Kurds here. They are a great people and one of the few allies in the region and deserve there own country, after this I'm not sure how any Middle East partner can trust us. The Kurds have answered the call every time we've needed them and each time we kick them in the balls after we're done. Plus the fact we're doing this to appease Erdoğan fricking sucks.

I'm thinking there's more than meets the eye here. I could be wrong though.

 

[carlos86]

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So like 25% of what it is now?

Possibly. I haven't crunched the numbers.

Why do you ask?

 

[Velo Vol]

First that matter, why do we respect the sovereignty of Saudi Arabia yet go so zealously after Assad?

Oil and money.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Yea Assad election was about as fair as Putins.

Or Muhammad Bin Salman?

 

[Burhead]

Assad was elected and the people there dont seem to mind him being in power. Only the western funded militias and Israel seem to have an issue with him.

Assad being democratically elected is as believable as me telling you I date super models.

I'm thinking there's more than meets the eye here. I could be wrong though.

When dealing in the Mid-East I totally agree. I just hate it though.

 

[Velo Vol]

Possibly. I haven't crunched the numbers.

Why do you ask?

Because on on these foreign entanglement incidents you revert to a "we have problems at home" line so I'm wondering what a Rasputin Vol federal budget would look like.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Because on on these foreign entanglement incidents you revert to a "we have problems at home" line so I'm wondering what a Rasputin Vol federal budget would look like.

Reduce military and entitlement spending, default on the debt, and abolish 16th Amendment.

 

[VolnJC]

We aren't even leaving Syria. We are handing control of Northen Syria to Turkey.

So Syria and North Syria are two separate countries ? The Kurds are asking us for more troops at some point enough is enough...we can't stay forever and we can't get involved in every border skirmishes it would stretch our military too thin
Kurdish official: Syria's 'safe zone' off to a good start

 

[Grand Vol]

Here's the thing for those of you pulling the "it's all TRUMP'S fault!' card about protecting the Kurds...

Four different Presidents had the opportunity to work to establish an independent Kurdish nation:

Bush 41 after Desert Storm
Bush 43 after OIF
Obama after we got involved in Syria
Trump (see Obama)

None of the other Middle Eastern nations except for Israel wanted that done. Now, do you think any of the other nations are going to go along with something Israel wants?

Plenty of blame to go around in regards to this situation. Don't act like this is a recent occurrence.

 

[Grand Vol]

When dealing in the Mid-East I totally agree. I just hate it though.

So do I. The Kurds I met when I was there were good folks and extremely loyal to the US. We didn't do what we should have (see my post above) for them when we had the chance.

Otherwise, **** Turkey.

 

[Grand Vol]

I'm wondering what a Rasputin Vol federal budget would look like.

There would be plenty of trips to see how the great Russia does things.

 

[Velo Vol]

Don't act like this is a recent occurrence.

Carving out a Kurdistan isn't going to fix the problem unless someone is going to enforce the borders.

 

[37L1]

Here's the thing for those of you pulling the "it's all TRUMP'S fault!' card about protecting the Kurds...

Four different Presidents had the opportunity to work to establish an independent Kurdish nation:

Bush 41 after Desert Storm
Bush 43 after OIF
Obama after we got involved in Syria
Trump (see Obama)

None of the other Middle Eastern nations except for Israel wanted that done. Now, do you think any of the other nations are going to go along with something Israel wants?

Plenty of blame to go around in regards to this situation. Don't act like this is a recent occurrence.

It goes back farther than that. The Kurds were promised after WW I. See Treaty of Sevres where they were promised an autonomous Kurdistan. Didn't happen. Kemal Ataturk.

 

[Grand Vol]

Carving out a Kurdistan isn't going to fix the problem unless someone is going to enforce the borders.

I'd trust the Kurds to do that.

Give a man a home and he'll fight for it if he has to.

 

[Grand Vol]

It goes back farther than that. The Kurds were promised after WW I. See Treaty of Sevres where they were promised an autonomous Kurdistan. Didn't happen. Kemal Ataturk.

Specifically in recent memory. There was a lot of stupidity in the way the Middle East was carved up after WWI.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[MontyPython]

We should not abandon the Kurds. What an unreliable partner we've become to our "allies" of the world.

Trump/Russia.

 

[Grand Vol]

We should not abandon the Kurds. What an unreliable partner we've become to our "allies" of the world.

Trump/Russia.

You volunteering to sign up and go fight?

 

[MontyPython]

So in your view, it's ok to leave our allies for dead. With friends like you, who needs enemies.