Syrian Kurds are close to declaring Independence

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#153
MontyPython said:
You talk alot smack little feller. You'd watch your wormy tongue if I were next to you, rest assured.

Doing the right thing militarily is the point here. If our military commanders there and the Pentagon (ie not trump) support abandoning the Kurds, so be it. But such action carries consequences.
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LOL

You wouldn’t do **** and can you point to when you cared about how we have treated the Kurds previously?
 
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hog88 said:
LOL

You wouldn’t do **** and can you point to when you cared about how we have treated the Kurds previously?
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Gladly. We f*cked them in 1991 when they rose against Saddam and Bush Sr. left them hanging out to dry. Saddam used poison gas and killed thousands of men women and children.

Need more education dipsh*t?
 
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MontyPython said:
I gather you're the village idiot. Tell me more about me and my past 4o years.
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I’d guess over the last 40 years you have done jack squat in service to your country or really anyone other than yourself.
 
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MontyPython said:
Gladly. We f*cked them in 1991 when they rose against Saddam and Bush Sr. left them hanging out to dry. Saddam used poison gas and killed thousands of men women and children.

Need more education dipsh*t?
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And what did you do? You voted for Bill Clinton who again let Sadam massacre more Kurds.
 
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hog88 said:
You left out Bill and how he pulled the rug out from under them 3 times.
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Bill gets a pass since the only times it could have been done was when we had boots on the ground. I don't think the country was prepared to go back in that quickly.
 
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Burhead said:
Not sure I follow? Are you against Western volunteers?
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No. If someone believes in the "cause" enough, let them go fight. However, regardless of how far within the customary law of war they are, they'll still be labeled terrorists by someone.

Our Founding Fathers would have been labeled terrorists these days.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Here's the thing for those of you pulling the "it's all TRUMP'S fault!' card about protecting the Kurds...

Four different Presidents had the opportunity to work to establish an independent Kurdish nation:

Bush 41 after Desert Storm
Bush 43 after OIF
Obama after we got involved in Syria
Trump (see Obama)

None of the other Middle Eastern nations except for Israel wanted that done. Now, do you think any of the other nations are going to go along with something Israel wants?

Plenty of blame to go around in regards to this situation. Don't act like this is a recent occurrence.
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And again I ask, why has there suddenly (in the last 20-25 years) been an urgent need to get a Kurdish state by Western interests?
 
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37L1 said:
It goes back farther than that. The Kurds were promised after WW I. See Treaty of Sevres where they were promised an autonomous Kurdistan. Didn't happen. Kemal Ataturk.
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Exactly... the Turks promised them a state in exchange for helping them ethnically cleanse Armenia. Then in the last 25 or so years, the west has taken that mantle as a carrot to encourage the Kurds to be their mercenary force against whoever the west has called an enemy state.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
We haven't had a sustained policy in the Mideast since way before 9/11. What we have been doing is he very definition of insanity. We have just been reacting to whatever the weather is on a given day. We've spent enough over there in the last 20 years to have provided health insurance for every American and sent every HS graduate who wanted an education to college. I believe enough is enough. Lets get the hell out of there and let them kill each other if the want. We can sweep up the mess (dead) after it's over.

If Russia or China want to get more involved fine, let them spend their trillions and let their soldiers die.
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This is the first thing you’ve ever posted that I agree with..... my how the times are a changing
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And again I ask, why has there suddenly (in the last 20-25 years) been an urgent need to get a Kurdish state by Western interests?
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I don't think there's an "urgent" need per se. However, I do think it should have been on the table considering how dirty they had been done at the Sykes-Picot Treaty.

"We're going to give you your own homeland...lol, j/k"

Let's face it, Iraq could have (probably should have) been divided into three zones all the way back then, much less now. A Sunni in the central part, Shi'a in the south and Kurdistan in the north. The problem comes from the other traditional Kurdistan areas being under Iranian, Syrian and Turkish control.

Oh, and those areas have resources on them. Which makes the idea a non-starter to begin with.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Exactly... the Turks promised them a state in exchange for helping them ethnically cleanse Armenia. Then in the last 25 or so years, the west has taken that mantle as a carrot to encourage the Kurds to be their mercenary force against whoever the west has called an enemy state.
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Yeah, and what happened with the Turks?

"lol, j/k, we're going to kill you know."
 
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I don't know enough about the ramifications of pulling our troops out. But if the commanders on the ground, the left, right, middle, fox and msnbc think it's a bad move and the ONLY guy who thinks its a good move is a tv realty host with penchant of doing dumb sht on the geopolitical stage, i'm inclined to side with the ones that didn't have to mediate a fight between Flava Flav and Gary Busey.
 
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Septic said:
I don't know enough about the ramifications of pulling our troops out. But if the commanders on the ground, the left, right, middle, fox and msnbc think it's a bad move and the ONLY guy who thinks its a good move is a tv realty host with penchant of doing dumb sht on the geopolitical stage, i'm inclined to side with the ones that didn't have to mediate a fight between Flava Flav and Gary Busey.
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So, we should remain there endlessly?
 
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No matter if you think this was the right move- it’s pretty clear this whole thing has been a complete cluster**** regarding planning and communication between the Pentagon, WH, and State department.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I don't think there's an "urgent" need per se. However, I do think it should have been on the table considering how dirty they had been done at the Sykes-Picot Treaty.

"We're going to give you your own homeland...lol, j/k"

Let's face it, Iraq could have (probably should have) been divided into three zones all the way back then, much less now. A Sunni in the central part, Shi'a in the south and Kurdistan in the north. The problem comes from the other traditional Kurdistan areas being under Iranian, Syrian and Turkish control.

Oh, and those areas have resources on them. Which makes the idea a non-starter to begin with.
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I was just about to post something similar. I can't remember who proposed it, but it seems like someone during the Bush 2 admin floated the idea of dividing up Iraq into three countries, including Kurdistan. It would not include all of their cultural homeland of course. But it would have been a start.
 
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