Syrian Kurds are close to declaring Independence

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Grand Vol said:
Lol

You probably shouldn't ever say Middle East politics "aren't difficult."
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So, your basis for saying these people, who we’ve been working with for years, cannot be reasonably identified as a geopolitical group is that you don’t know how to do it?

Seems like some offshoot of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
 
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MontyPython said:
So in your view, it's ok to leave our allies for dead. With friends like you, who needs enemies.
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Again, are you willing to put your own life on the line to help protect the Kurds?

Because if not, you can show yourself to the door with your "I want to expose American service members to risks just to b!tch about Trump."

Otherwise, recruiting offices are easy to find.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Again, are you willing to put your own life on the line to help protect the Kurds?

Because if not, you can show yourself to the door with your "I want to expose American service members to risks just to b!tch about Trump."

Otherwise, recruiting offices are easy to find.
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You talk alot smack little feller. You'd watch your wormy tongue if I were next to you, rest assured.

Doing the right thing militarily is the point here. If our military commanders there and the Pentagon (ie not trump) support abandoning the Kurds, so be it. But such action carries consequences.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
So, your basis for saying these people, who we’ve been working with for years, cannot be reasonably identified as a geopolitical group is that you don’t know how to do it?

Seems like some offshoot of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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No, they certainly can be identified as a specific geopolitical group...

Now, where is the Kurdish homeland? Does it have national borders? Is there a clear "line in the sand" we can use to protect them? Would that protection continue into Eastern Turkey and Northwest Iran where traditional Kurdistan lies? Are we to go to war with Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Iran to protect them?

Is there a reason you want to go with the insults instead of rationally debating the matter?

That area, just like Afghanistan, is heavily tribal. Hell, all of Iraq and Syria is tribal and regional in nature. The traditional "Kurdistan" reaches across four nations and is intermixed with other areas that other groups have historical claims to as well.

So, how exactly are we planning to protect that "nation," counselor?
 
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MontyPython said:
You talk alot smack little feller. You'd watch your wormy tongue if I were next to you, rest assured.

Doing the right thing militarily is the point here. If our military commanders there and the Pentagon (ie not trump) support abandoning the Kurds, so be it. But such action carries consequences.
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lulz

Been there, done that, got seven t-shirts on my three years spent in the Middle East.

So, you can volunteer to go fight or you can see yourself out.
 
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MontyPython said:
You talk alot smack little feller. You'd watch your wormy tongue if I were next to you, rest assured.

Doing the right thing militarily is the point here. If our military commanders there and the Pentagon (ie not trump) support abandoning the Kurds, so be it. But such action carries consequences.
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LMFAO. Hey @Grand Vol you’ll take your lecture on how the military is supposed to be utilized without regard to considering our personnel losses and you’ll like it! 🤣🤣🤣
 
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RockyTop85 said:
So, your basis for saying these people, who we’ve been working with for years, cannot be reasonably identified as a geopolitical group is that you don’t know how to do it?

Seems like some offshoot of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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And just a reminder, you said:

RockyTop85 said:
This isn’t that difficult.
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It's a wee bit more complicated than you give it credit for.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And just a reminder, you said:



It's a wee bit more complicated than you give it credit for.
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Lol.

I’m insulting you because you’re throwing out completely unsupported arguments and saying “if you can’t prove me wrong to my satisfaction, that means I’m right.”

Nevermind that you haven’t established any level of expertise in the subject.

Nevermind that people who do have extensive experience with this subject matter disagree with you.

Nevermind that our military has actually identified and worked with these people for years.

Nevermind that, by your own description, they’re tribal (which is in itself a method of identification.)

Without even looking at any of that: We have collaborated with them. For years. I presume that didn’t happen because we parked our tanks in the local Home Depot and people showed up looking for work. I assume not by posting “help wanted” ads in the village newspaper. The fact that we have collaborated with them for years means that the ones with whom we have collaborated can be identified. Which means you’re objectively wrong.

Whether I know how that happens or where they live does not change that.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Lol.

I’m insulting you because you’re throwing out completely unsupported arguments and saying “if you can’t prove me wrong to my satisfaction, that means I’m right.”

Nevermind that you haven’t established any level of expertise in the subject. Just as much an "expert" as you on this. And you haven't stated how we protect them either

Nevermind that people who do have extensive experience with this subject matter disagree with you. Who? Lindsey "Never found a war I wouldn't like to get involved in" Graham? Nikki Haley? Generals who depends on Fox, CNN and other news outlets to interview them for hours on end and Monday morning quarterback the decisions made?

Nevermind that our military has actually identified and worked with these people for years. lol You know all about that, right?

Nevermind that, by your own description, they’re tribal (which is in itself a method of identification.) Missed the rest of it, right?

We have collaborated with them. For years. I presume that didn’t happen because we parked our tanks in the local Home Depot and people showed up looking for work. I assume not by posting “help wanted” ads in the village newspaper. The fact that we have collaborated with them for years means that the ones with whom we have collaborated can be identified. Which means you’re objectively wrong.

Whether I know how that happens or where they live does not change that.
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I guess you missed my post above or choose not to actually try to debate the points...

Go on with your bad self though.
 
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Yay go Turkey! Taking out the commie Antifa trainers supply routes! There are no really good or bad guys in this fight btw
 
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Grand Vol said:
I guess you missed my post above or choose not to actually try to debate the points...

Go on with your bad self though.
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How can you read that post and think “oh he didn’t read my other post?”

I described exactly what you did in the first post, why it’s not the insta-win argument you think it is, and then listed all the reasons I don’t agree with it.

I admitted I’m not answering your questions because I don’t know the answers. You seem to think that has some significance re: the validity of your argument.

I’m telling you: take it up with Jim Mattis.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
How can you read that post and think “oh he didn’t read my other post?”

I described exactly what you did in the first post, why it’s not the insta-win argument you think it is, and then listed all the reasons I don’t agree with it.

I admitted I’m not answering your questions because I don’t know the answers. You seem to think that has some significance re: the validity of your argument.

I’m telling you: take it up with Jim Mattis.
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You're all kinds of cranky today. Not getting enough fiber?

Yes, it does have extreme validity in the conversation. Because the problem isn't limited to just northern Syria. Nor is it just "protecting" the Kurds there. You protect them there, you pretty much are saying "we have to protect them everywhere." Which, again, the entire Middle East save Israel will NOT accept.

You're missing that. Kurds are not just in Syria and Iraq. They are in Iran and Turkey as well. We can't just say "well, we're going to protect you here, but allow the Turks and Iranians to slaughter you in their home countries."

Yeah, I can disagree with Jim Mattis all day long. And anyone else who wants us in yet another endless occupation in yet another foreign nation that you can't tell friend from foe. We have no business in Syria. We stopped ISIS (helped stop them) and they are no longer a threat. There is still a civil war going on in Syria we have ZERO business picking sides in.

Now, if you want to educate yourself, why don't you do some research on where the Kurds get their weapons and that process. You think the US armed them?

Guess again. And then come talk to me about "turning our backs on our friends."
 
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Can always count on Senator Paul to be a voice of reason over the chicken Hawks
 
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VolnJC said:
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And? No different than Americans fighting with right-wing, nationalist paramilitary groups in Ukraine. As long as they adhere to international norms and do not commit acts of terror coming home I don't have a problem with it.
 
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Burhead said:
And? No different than Americans fighting with right-wing, nationalist paramilitary groups in Ukraine. As long as they adhere to international norms and do not commit acts of terror coming home I don't have a problem with it.
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One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
 
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Burhead said:
I truly feel bad for the Kurds here. They are a great people and one of the few allies in the region and deserve there own country, after this I'm not sure how any Middle East partner can trust us. The Kurds have answered the call every time we've needed them and each time we kick them in the balls after we're done. Plus the fact we're doing this to appease Erdoğan fricking sucks.
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Agreed, the previous 3 administrations screwed them over multiple times and now it looks as if we are going to do it again.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Here's the thing for those of you pulling the "it's all TRUMP'S fault!' card about protecting the Kurds...

Four different Presidents had the opportunity to work to establish an independent Kurdish nation:

Bush 41 after Desert Storm
Bush 43 after OIF
Obama after we got involved in Syria
Trump (see Obama)

None of the other Middle Eastern nations except for Israel wanted that done. Now, do you think any of the other nations are going to go along with something Israel wants?

Plenty of blame to go around in regards to this situation. Don't act like this is a recent occurrence.
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You left out Bill and how he pulled the rug out from under them 3 times.
 
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Grand Vol said:
lulz

Been there, done that, got seven t-shirts on my three years spent in the Middle East.

So, you can volunteer to go fight or you can see yourself out.
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Thank you for your service. I'm far too old to be an asset grunt wise now. But of course, one doesn't need be in the service to listen to those that are in the military.

Seems the boots on the ground as well as the Pentagon doesn't support withdrawal from Syria. Yet, you're gonna side with a draft dodging con artist real estate / reality TV host instead.

Pentagon warns Turkey not to invade Syria as Trump blasted for abandoning Kurdish partners
 
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