Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

Do you care?

  • No

    Votes: 40 23.1%

  • Hell No

    Votes: 48 27.7%

  • Yes, we should invade and send in Troops

    Votes: 25 14.5%

  • I like Pie

    Votes: 60 34.7%
  • Total voters
    173
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volinbham said:
wait now Biden was misled and that explains this?
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No, he made the wrong choices. He approved the wrong plan. That is on him.

I'm just saying that Trump was led down the same path by the same people. I see no reason whatsoever to think he'd suddenly have deviated from the advice of the institutional leadership both he and Biden listened to.

As I've said before, since Trump is not in office you have the luxury of openly speculating that somehow it would have been different. But I suspect that in reality you know that is extremely unlikely.

This does not excuse Biden or the officials who screwed it up. It does mean that it doesn't prove Biden is uniquely incompetent or has some kind of brain affliction or dementia or any of that idiotic crap so many seem to want to tie to this.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Exactly correct. He'd have done nothing differently because the same agency staff people that misled Biden had already misled Trump and would have done it again.
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Wrong. And it's been explained why you're wrong. And if you believe only one strategy was presented, then I question your intelligence. A situation like this, multiple strategies are presented. Biden **** the bed. That doesn't fall on Trump, it falls on Biden. You look foolish trying to excuse what has been a royal **** up.
 
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Weezer said:
Wrong. And it's been explained why you're wrong. And if you believe only one strategy was presented, then I question your intelligence. A situation like this, multiple strategies are presented. Biden **** the bed. That doesn't fall on Trump, it falls on Biden. You look foolish trying to excuse what has been a royal **** up.
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Not excusing it.

Simply pointing out it is being massively overclaimed by the usual suspects
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, he made the wrong choices. He approved the wrong plan. That is on him.

I'm just saying that Trump was led down the same path by the same people. I see no reason whatsoever to think he'd suddenly have deviated from the advice of the institutional leadership both he and Biden listened to.

As I've said before, since Trump is not in office you have the luxury of openly speculating that somehow it would have been different. But I suspect that in reality you know that is extremely unlikely.

This does not excuse Biden or the officials who screwed it up. It does mean that it doesn't prove Biden is uniquely incompetent or has some kind of brain affliction or dementia or any of that idiotic crap so many seem to want to tie to this.
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You're the one taking luxuries speculating Trump would have handled it the same. We don't know that. No matter how much you assert otherwise, you don't know that to be fact. It's an opinion you strongly want to believe true to somewhat absolve Biden of his stupidity.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, he made the wrong choices. He approved the wrong plan. That is on him.

I'm just saying that Trump was led down the same path by the same people. I see no reason whatsoever to think he'd suddenly have deviated from the advice of the institutional leadership both he and Biden listened to.

As I've said before, since Trump is not in office you have the luxury of openly speculating that somehow it would have been different. But I suspect that in reality you know that is extremely unlikely.

This does not excuse Biden or the officials who screwed it up. It does mean that it doesn't prove Biden is uniquely incompetent or has some kind of brain affliction or dementia or any of that idiotic crap so many seem to want to tie to this.
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These mental gymnastics of yours are hilarious. Comparing what Trump would have done to what Biden actually did....LOL
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, he made the wrong choices. He approved the wrong plan. That is on him.

I'm just saying that Trump was led down the same path by the same people. I see no reason whatsoever to think he'd suddenly have deviated from the advice of the institutional leadership both he and Biden listened to.

As I've said before, since Trump is not in office you have the luxury of openly speculating that somehow it would have been different. But I suspect that in reality you know that is extremely unlikely.

This does not excuse Biden or the officials who screwed it up. It does mean that it doesn't prove Biden is uniquely incompetent or has some kind of brain affliction or dementia or any of that idiotic crap so many seem to want to tie to this.
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it wasn't the same people though - the leadership at the top looks at the same information and makes different decisions. Different Sec of Defense, Sec of State.

you said the staff misled Biden - I haven't seen any confirmation of said misleading.

the conditions of the Trump plan were changed by Biden - so we had different leadership and different decision metrics so claiming it would have been the same is a pretty big leap. Now maybe it would have been worse or maybe it would have been better but arguing it would have been the same is the hardest position to defend.

For the record, I've never said it was a dementia thing - I think Biden or his political team had an adamant position of no additional troops under any circumstances and that led to a series of bad decisions.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
These mental gymnastics of yours are hilarious. Comparing what Trump would have done to what Biden actually did....LOL
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Trump actually made the deal to leave. He anointed the Taliban as credible and trustworthy. He also decided that the Afghan army and government would make it work.
 
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#6,790
lawgator1 said:
Trump actually made the deal to leave. He anointed the Taliban as credible and trustworthy. He also decided that the Afghan army and government would make it work.
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And Biden mostly kept to that deal, showing it to be the one thing Trump did he apparently agreed with. It's about the only thing Trump did that he didn't undo, though he very well could have, had he wanted to. And Biden also negotiated with the Taliban. And he also placed enough faith in the Afghan army and government to hold the country for at least a month or more.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Trump actually made the deal to leave. He anointed the Taliban as credible and trustworthy. He also decided that the Afghan army and government would make it work.
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wrong on the "anointing" - if this was true then you are condemning Biden even further. Biden told us in July he didn't trust the Taliban. If he thought Trump was wrong he could have stalled the deal (or kept the conditions/gates in the Trump deal) but he didn't. He made it his own and blew his own horn about he was the guy actually ending the unending war.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
90 Retired Generals and Admirals Call For Austin and Milley to Resign Immediately over the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal

Dozens of retired generals and admirals are demanding that Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley resign over the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan.

'The retired Flag Officers signing this letter are calling for the resignation and retirement of the Secretary of Defense (SECDEF) and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CJCS) based on negligence in performing their duties primarily involving events surrounding the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan,' 90 retired top-ranking military officials wrote in an open letter released Monday.

90 retired generals and admirals call for Austin and Milley to resign over Afghanistan withdrawal | Daily Mail Online
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Hip Hip Hooray. Hit the bricks privates.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
I stand corrected ..... pesky damn time zones.
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It's definitely the 31st in Afghanistan now, and MOOSE43 (USAF C-17) is flying a track that previous flights into Afghanistan have used. Over the Gulf of Oman south of Iran right now - be interesting to see if it turns north over Pakistan which is the normal route in and out. We may never know because a lot of times they drop off radar about this point.
 
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AM64 said:
It's definitely the 31st in Afghanistan now, and MOOSE43 (USAF C-17) is flying a track that previous flights into Afghanistan have used. Over the Gulf of Oman south of Iran right now - be interesting to see if it turns north over Pakistan which is the normal route in and out. We may never know because a lot of times they drop off radar about this point.
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any other airfields there where this could land? (hopefully an extraction mission)

I posted earlier where we need to extract out of Uzbekistan but I assume that would be a northern flight route. Maybe some overland folks at the Pakistan border?
 
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volinbham said:
any other airfields there where this could land? (hopefully an extraction mission)

I posted earlier where we need to extract out of Uzbekistan but I assume that would be a northern flight route. Maybe some overland folks at the Pakistan border?
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I don't know, and the plane dropped off the radar just like a lot of planes flying into Afghanistan did. It almost looks like they have to identify while near the UAE and then go dark.
 
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volinbham said:
here's Ronald Klain inadvertently confirming WaPo reporting that Taliban offered to let US control Kabul - Psaki refused to comment on story saying she hadn't seen it. Oops.

he retweeted this

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LMAO that idiot has got to have the worst situational awareness of any CoS in a while.
 
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lostsheep said:
Again...I go back to my stance of not defending the Biden administrations handling of the exit strategy from Afghanistan.

Yet, you and the trumpets keep posting info trying to brand me as a "progressive" and "liberal" just because I don't drink the same trump kool-aid you guys do.
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And yet here your are doing the exact thing you are criticizing them for....
 
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