Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

[rjd970]

No, #3 should have been we will bomb the sh*t out of you until we withdraw our assets leaving your godforsaken world behind for good.

Yes - lets jump right back in. That's the answer!!

 

[volbound1700]

No, its the Afghan's fault this happened so quickly. Nobody had illusions they would fall back into Taliban hands eventually. But this fast causing this kind of response? That is on the Afghans. The president cut bait and left and we have pilots taking fighters across the border. Dudes just laying down and surrendering without any kind of fight. The majority of this absolute epic collapse falls squarely on the Afghans and their leadership. We left resources and equipment for them to use.

20 years. We did our part and then some.

You should know if your teammate was going to quit. We blame our head football coaches for players quitting. There was plenty of warnings that the Afghan soldiers were ****. Most veterans of the war said that as well.

 

[rjd970]

You should know if your teammate was going to quit. We blame our head football coaches for players quitting. There was plenty of warnings that the Afghan soldiers were ****. Most veterans of the war said that as well.

Soooooo.....what was the alternative? Stay for another 20 years?

 

[Volaholic320]

100yrs? Not even the worst in the past 2 decades since that included originally invading Iraq and Afghanistan

Lol, you think that was a blunder? It wasn't a blunder. I dont think we should have stayed as long we did but it was no blunder

 

[Volaholic320]

Soooooo.....what was the alternative? Stay for another 20 years?

We're still japan, korea, germany.

 

[LouderVol]

No, its the Afghan's fault this happened so quickly. Nobody had illusions they would fall back into Taliban hands eventually. But this fast causing this kind of response? That is on the Afghans. The president cut bait and left and we have pilots taking fighters across the border. Dudes just laying down and surrendering without any kind of fight. The majority of this absolute epic collapse falls squarely on the Afghans and their leadership. We left resources and equipment for them to use.

20 years. We did our part and then some.

Again the collapse is just a straw man. Stuff should have been pulled before our boots left.

We are talking mission critical equipment, not MREs, bandaids, and Grunt Candy. No reason for that stuff to be left beyond our boys.

Same with the people. They were at risk even before we left. Anyone would know they are SOL with us out. Even if the Taliban wasnt in the presidents house already, they would have been hunting them from day 1.

 

[VolnJC]

I agree with Biden’s speech (the decision to withdraw). However, he didn’t address the core issue, but instead addressed a straw man. Again, it’s not so much the withdrawal from Afghanistan itself but the way in which it was conducted. He was defending his decision to withdraw in the speech.

That was by design...they even trended a poll that "95% agreed with Biden about withdrawal" its called changing the narrative and moving the goalposts...not sure it worked on middle folks...the far left and far right don't matter

 

[BreatheUT]

I can't remember a president that refuses to answer questions as much as Biden does.

He didn't have his list together of who can ask questions because Naga-Psaki is on vacation.

 

[rjd970]

We're still japan, korea, germany.

Got it, stay for another 20 years, at least, is your position.

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[VolStrom]

China will keep all of that equipment running for the Taliban, since that's where all of the spare parts for them come from anyway.

 

[rjd970]

Again the collapse is just a straw man. Stuff should have been pulled before our boots left.

We are talking mission critical equipment, not MREs, bandaids, and Grunt Candy. No reason for that stuff to be left beyond our boys.

Same with the people. They were at risk even before we left. Anyone would know they are SOL with us out. Even if the Taliban wasnt in the presidents house already, they would have been hunting them from day 1.

Oh really? Like what?

Anything mission critical and/or sensitive to to U.S. operations was long gone. Anything left was for the ANA to use and THEY just willingly gave it up. You can only lead a horse to water.

 

[BreatheUT]

No, its the Afghan's fault this happened so quickly. Nobody had illusions they would fall back into Taliban hands eventually. But this fast causing this kind of response? That is on the Afghans. The president cut bait and left and we have pilots taking fighters across the border. Dudes just laying down and surrendering without any kind of fight. The majority of this absolute epic collapse falls squarely on the Afghans and their leadership. We left resources and equipment for them to use.

20 years. We did our part and then some.

What is our intelligence for?

Are you saying it's all fun and games until someone gets hit in the mouth?

 

[LouderVol]

Got it, stay for another 20 years, at least, is your position.

And your posistion is we should directly equip terrorists with our gear.

Arent hyperboles fun?

 

[Volaholic320]

Got it, stay for another 20 years, at least, is your position.

No, its not my position. Im just giving an example. I dont care that we pulled out. Rather be stationed in germany than Afghanistan any day. All those Muslim countries are the same.

 

[Volaholic320]

What is our intelligence for?

Are you saying it's all fun and games until someone gets hit in the mouth?

Our intelligence is to root out nra members and accuse them of being white militants.

 

[Wireless1]

The powers that be would never allow Sleepy Joe to launch a nuclear weapon.

What they tell Joe is the Nuke button

BTW, it was already in the office from Trump

 

[LouderVol]

Oh really? Like what?

Anything mission critical and/or sensitive to to U.S. operations was long gone. Anything left was for the ANA.

Functioning aircraft. Weapons, ammo.

The same ANA that you admitted clearly didnt have a chance? They are either idiots for knowing and doing nothing, or idiots for not knowing things would go bad.

 

[rjd970]

No, its not my position. Im just giving an example. I dont care that we pulled out. Rather be stationed in germany than Afghanistan any day. All those Muslim countries are the same.

ok - then what was the alternative to pulling out?

 

[hog88]

No, its the Afghan's fault this happened so quickly. Nobody had illusions they would fall back into Taliban hands eventually. But this fast causing this kind of response? That is on the Afghans. The president cut bait and left and we have pilots taking fighters across the border. Dudes just laying down and surrendering without any kind of fight. The majority of this absolute epic collapse falls squarely on the Afghans and their leadership. We left resources and equipment for them to use.

20 years. We did our part and then some.

Either our IC or military missed on their assessment which would be a failure or the administration ignored it, either way this is a colossal failure.

The Afgans were always going to Afgan.

 

[508mikey]

No, #3 should have been we will bomb the sh*t out of you until we withdraw our assets leaving your godforsaken world behind for good.

nah just make a trade -- 5000 goats and 10,000 pair of stinky sandals

 

[rjd970]

And your posistion is we should directly equip terrorists with our gear.

Arent hyperboles fun?

My position is what was done, equip the ANA and give them resources to be successful. We did our part. They weren't.

If we would have left them nothing you guys would be on here complaining we left them high and dry.

There was no good way to do this.

 

[508mikey]

they even act like goats and sheep

 

[rjd970]

Either our IC or military missed on their assessment which would be a failure or the administration ignored it, either way this is a colossal failure.

The Afgans were always going to Afgan.

True.

But fall in less than a month? After 20 YEARS of helping them?

I don't know because I'm not tied into it and I'm sure some analysts saw this coming, but I would be surprised if what happened was the majority position in the IC.

 

[volinbham]

Is there any speech he could have given that would have left you satiated? I didn't see the speech but #3 would be a good way to rope us back in.

I got libertarians in my ear saying this was a Ron/Rand Paul (Trump to a lesser extent) style speech on intervention and occupation.

the purpose of this impromptu address to the nation is because the withdrawal is going very badly

instead of focusing on the withdrawal he rehashed the speech he gave earlier on why we are withdrawing - that isn't the current issue.

so yes I agree with the supposed lessons learned about nation building but now is not the time for a broader policy speech.

he showed no conviction on getting our people out, pretty much said it was going fine.

as for #3 roping us back in that has already happened - we are at 6000 troops now.

so what could have left me satiated? some real acknowledgement of the urgency and some conviction on dealing with the immediate situation.