Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

[Wireless1]

Afghan Air Force Flees en masse: Uzbekistan SHOOTS DOWN one fighter plane and forces another FORTY SIX helicopters and planes to land carrying 600 Afghan soldiers

Uzbekistan said it shot down an Afghan fighter plane and forced the landing of 22 military planes and 24 military helicopters carrying nearly 600 Afghan troops that 'illegally' crossed its border at the weekend when the Taliban took control of Afghanistan.

The 46 Afghan aircrafts carrying 585 troops were 'forcibly landed' at Termez aiport in southern Uzbekistan on Saturday and Sunday after they had fled the Taliban, the country's state prosecutor said.

Uzbekistan SHOOTS DOWN one Afghan fighter plane and forces another 46 aircrafts to land | Daily Mail Online

I hope they unloaded all their armaments at the Taliban before running. If they landed fully loaded they should be forced to walk back.

 

[rjd970]

Functioning aircraft. Weapons, ammo.

The same ANA that you admitted clearly didnt have a chance? They are either idiots for knowing and doing nothing, or idiots for not knowing things would go bad.

What was the alternative? Not leave them anything? You guys would be on here *****ing about us leaving them with nothing for success.

If this were Trump the left would be having a field day with this like you guys are. Biden just happens to be the guy in the seat that actually pulled the trigger and left.

 

[volinbham]

No, its the Afghan's fault this happened so quickly. Nobody had illusions they would fall back into Taliban hands eventually. But this fast causing this kind of response? That is on the Afghans. The president cut bait and left and we have pilots taking fighters across the border. Dudes just laying down and surrendering without any kind of fight. The majority of this absolute epic collapse falls squarely on the Afghans and their leadership. We left resources and equipment for them to use.

20 years. We did our part and then some.

We should have anticipated it would go this way and it appears the IC was sending those warnings.

It seems two things are being conflated. Should we get out - yes, there's not a whole lot of debate about that. Why didn't we plan for this to happen and execute better is the real current issue.

As for strong talk against the Taliban drawing us back in - we are already back in to execute the withdrawal. 6000K troops now - we were coasting at 2500 for some time but now we have to get back in to get out.

 

[hog88]

Soooooo.....what was the alternative? Stay for another 20 years?

There were what, 3 - 4 thousand troops in Afghanistan this spring that were keeping the Taliban at bay? We should have left some SF advisors to direct air support and logistics while we got all non-essential civilians and hardware out. Probably could have kept the Taliban in the mountains with 2 - 3 hundred of them. Then with one fell swoop in the middle of the night evacuated them and the remaining embassy staff.

 

[Vol737]

Was listening to an interview on the radio with a Westpoint grad who was in the same class with Mike Pompeo, he’s been all over the place with the military in his career. He was saying it’s wrong to place much blame on the Afghan army because they were in fact willing to fight and had incurred thousands of casualties fighting the Taliban and had been fighting them since shortly after we got there. The sudden vacating of Baghram Air Base caught them off guard. They had been relying on our intelligence and air support and all of a sudden they found themselves largely abandoned. That order came straight up from Biden. Just another bit of information to chew on.

 

[05_never_again]

My position is what was done, equip the ANA and give them resources to be successful. We did our part. They weren't.

If we would have left them nothing you guys would be on here complaining we left them high and dry.

There was no good way to do this.

This concept is so hard for many to understand because we easily understand and believe in the concept of a nation-state. Most Afghans do not.

We say "come together and create an Afghan army" and their response is "what's an Afghan army?" And most of the ones that do understand the concept don't really believe in it. Their ranks were filled with ghost soldiers.

 

[hog88]

True.

But fall in less than a month? After 20 YEARS of helping them?

I don't know because I'm not tied into it and I'm sure some analysts saw this coming, but I would be surprised if what happened was the majority position in the IC.

Then this is a failure of the administration.

 

[LouderVol]

True.

But fall in less than a month? After 20 YEARS of helping them?

I don't know because I'm not tied into it and I'm sure some analysts saw this coming, but I would be surprised if what happened was the majority position in the IC.

From the guys I have talked to who have been over there they arent surprised. Outside a few of their elite units, most of their troops were less trained and suited for combat than our cops, Guard, and Reserves. Painfully obvious to all of them.

 

[hog88]

the purpose of this impromptu address to the nation is because the withdrawal is going very badly

instead of focusing on the withdrawal he rehashed the speech he gave earlier on why we are withdrawing - that isn't the current issue.

so yes I agree with the supposed lessons learned about nation building but now is not the time for a broader policy speech.

he showed no conviction on getting our people out, pretty much said it was going fine.

as for #3 roping us back in that has already happened - we are at 6000 troops now.

so what could have left me satiated? some real acknowledgement of the urgency and some conviction on dealing with the immediate situation.

We now have more troops in country than we did when we began the withdrawal.

 

[TheColdVolTruth]

Wow - terrible speech.

1. made an argument for getting out of Afghanistan - that had already been decided and not very controversial
2. placed all blame on Afghani leadership and forces - if he didn't see this coming he's an idiot
3. made no statement telling Taliban to stand down or warning of consequences if they harm any of our people or those we are protecting
4. took no questions
5. downplayed the situation we are seeing
6. made it about himself

those on the ground in Afghanistan got zero hope from this

He addressed 3. Whether he has the capacity/fortitude to follow through is up for debate, but he did address it.

Right around the 15:00 mark in the video.

 

[Velo Vol]

Uh oh, they figured out The Plan.

 

[AM64]

Time to pass out the T shirts, promote the guilty, and crucify the innocent. Wonder how many scapegoats there will be from this? One thing for sure, the woke commanders aren't likely to be among them.

 

[volinbham]

He addressed 3. Whether he has the capacity/fortitude to follow through is up for debate, but he did address it.

Right around the 15:00 mark in the video.

I stand corrected - thanks for bringing that to my attention. I missed it when listening but it may have been when I went from the car into the house.

 

[n_huffhines]

What was the alternative? Not leave them anything? You guys would be on here *****ing about us leaving them with nothing for success.

If this were Trump the left would be having a field day with this like you guys are. Biden just happens to be the guy in the seat that actually pulled the trigger and left.

100

Biden's ****ed up, but there is nothing he could have done to pull this off in a way that would have satisfied the right.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Holy hell they are bugging out. Chicken **** bastards.

At least the Taliban won’t have those air assets.

Wouldn't matter. They had some left over aircraft and tanks when we rolled up on them in 2001. I still remember seeing the IR camera shots that showed which tanks actually operated and which didnt so we blew up the ones that worked, left the rest to rust. They definitely don't have the ability to utilize any potential air assets.

 

[lukeneyland]

Just carpet bomb them into oblivion, no more American blood. Also how about we quit letting terrorist come to our country? Think we’d have learned our lesson 20 years ago

 

[VolnJC]

They even got Omar on board with the lie

 

[Orangeburst]

Was listening to an interview on the radio with a Westpoint grad who was in the same class with Mike Pompeo, he’s been all over the place with the military in his career. He was saying it’s wrong to place much blame on the Afghan army because they were in fact willing to fight and had incurred thousands of casualties fighting the Taliban and had been fighting them since shortly after we got there. The sudden vacating of Baghram Air Base caught them off guard. They had been relying on our intelligence and air support and all of a sudden they found themselves largely abandoned. That order came straight up from Biden. Just another bit of information to chew on.

I would venture that even our own troops rely too much on airpower. Great when you have it, so you use it to limit casualties, but has handicapped tactics for one doesnt. These Afghani forces probably were just as reliant as US troops.

 

[Orangeburst]

They even got Omar on board with the lie

Complaining about the MSM? That is rich Omar.

 

[Boston Vol]

The State Department is calling on the Taliban to have a more inclusive government. You honestly can’t even make this sh*t up anymore.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Wouldn't matter. They had some left over aircraft and tanks when we rolled up on them in 2001. I still remember seeing the IR camera shots that showed which tanks actually operated and which didnt so we blew up the ones that worked, left the rest to rust. They definitely don't have the ability to utilize any potential air assets.

The best part of them bugging out is loss of the air crews I’d guess. Good that they lost equipment but they are not going to be able to find crew even on the merc market. Would you fly a Taliban helo into combat with a western military?

 

[Matt2496]

The State Department is calling on the Taliban to have a more inclusive government. You honestly can’t even make this sh*t up anymore.

Seems as if the people in charge have no grasp of reality

 

[C-south]

The State Department is calling on the Taliban to have a more inclusive government. You honestly can’t even make this sh*t up anymore.

Maybe they can get a tranny to chop some heads off.

 

[Orangeburst]

Uh oh, they figured out The Plan.

Nobody cares dude. He is a liar or just a nut..Outta 330M you can find lots on both sides.

 

[AirVol]

Got 3 tankers in the vicinity now.

It’s an “air bridge” of support refuelers.