Taliban Taking Over Afghanistan - Does anyone care?

[BowlBrother85]

Obviously not, troll.

Prove we directly financed Taliban operations in a time where they didn't exist and prove we gave arms and equipment directly to bin Laden during that same time.

The people who would later comprise the leadership of the Taliban existed, as did their ideology.. You are making too much out of the name change in 1994. The CIA certainly did provide aid to Osama bin Laden during the Afghan resistance to Soviet occupation in the 1980's. Nothing the CIA does is "direct".

 

[Grand Vol]

The people who would later comprise the leadership of the Taliban existed, as did their ideology.. You are making too much out of the name change in 1994. The CIA certainly did provide aid to Osama bin Laden during the Afghan resistance to Soviet occupation in the 1980's. Nothing the CIA does is "direct".

So, should be easy to provide proof via links or some such thing.

But you said we provided aid to the Taliban, again, during a time they didn't exist.

 

[BreatheUT]

One thing is for certain when looking at Afghanistan, it goes to show some civilizations have barely progressed beyond the caveman era.

 

[BowlBrother85]

So, should be easy to provide proof via links or some such thing.

But you said we provided aid to the Taliban, again, during a time they didn't exist.

The collection of people existed. They just went by a different name prior to September of 1994... and they received aid from the CIA during their resistance to Soviet occupation in the 1980's. You are making too much of the name change.

 

[VolnJC]

 

[Weezer]

Biden handled it, exactly how Trump would have.... and yes, it is foolish.

What's this? I thought you detested whataboutism? Oh wait, I forgot, it's not that you detest it, it's that only you are allowed to use it. Way to show your hypocrisy.

Biden fubared this. Now he's trying to blame Trump. Did Biden win the election or not? If so, then he's responsible for this crapfest, not Trump. And ftr, we have no idea how things would have happened under Trump because he's no longer POTUS. Stop with the ****** ass excuses and just admit this administration is crapping the bed. Stating the truth doesn't mean you're betraying your little Democrat heart. FFS, all Americans should be pissed, not that we're finally leaving, but HOW we are leaving.

 

[Weezer]

But it’s your drooling incompetent fool that pulled everything out in the middle of the night without getting US personnel out first. Holy partisan idiocy man….

This is what BB is failing to understand. It's not about the Taliban marching right back in and taking over. That's on the Afghanis themselves. It's about leaving American personnel in danger, with no protection. But I guess I forget, ambassadors and embassy staff mean nothing to Democrats, much like Benghazi. Apparently they are disposable. It's pathetic.

 

[red butler]

The collection of people existed. They just went by a different name prior to September of 1994... and they received aid from the CIA during their resistance to Soviet occupation in the 1980's. You are making too much of the name change.

That’s an oversimplification IMO. While the taliban was composed of mujihadin from the war with the Soviet Union, it’s not like they just changed names. After the war, there was a huge vacuum for power with many competing mujahadin factions. Mohammed Omar started madrasas after the war, until he got fed up with the situation and called on his students (talib) to join him and take power. The taliban actually went to war with other mujahadin factions to seize control.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I've said repeatedly that I'm all for pulling out of Afghanistan. I think the main source of ire is in the way that it has been done, not so much the action itself.

Is there anyone here that has NOT had to make this same post to a dumbarse liberal who is trying to gaslight by changing the issue from WHETHER we left the 'stan to HOW we left???

Quit being lazy and actually read the damn thread liberals...or shut up and let the adults exchange ideas since you completely lack reading comprehension. ^^^ that exact same post has been made by at least a half dozen people when a lazy, dishonest, or brainwashed by talking points liberal has tried to confuse the super obvious issue at hand repeatedly.

The exit strategy was already laid out and thoroughly planned by the Trump admin and joint chiefs of staff. US troops have not been in combat at all for 2 years ...per agreement with afghans...only provided intel and rarely air strikes. No combat. The vast, overwhelming majority of US forces were home when sleepy joe and the ho took office.

Biden threw that existing agreement and plan out the window. Against the advice of pretty much every senior US mil and intelligence officers. As posted here, he and kameltoe even fought in the media over whose great idea it was to do this BS less than a month ago...see Politico etc. This shameful BS is 100% Biden and Kamltoe...there is no escape. None. They can wear it like a bad haircut just like Benghazi.

 

[VolnJC]

Democrats critical of Biden's handling of Afghanistan withdraw

 

[Weezer]

Democrats critical of Biden's handling of Afghanistan withdraw

It's those that are truly sheep that keep making excuses and playing games rather than simply stating Biden screwed this up.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It's more complicated than this... Technically, you are correct that the Taliban didn't emerge until 1994 in Kandahar, Afghanistan. However, "the dots" are easily connected between Osama bin Laden and aid from the CIA in the 1980's. He was never directly used by the United States government because the CIA doesn't operate that way. You are a stupid idiot if you don't think he was receiving support from them.

Prove it.

All that money and weaponry was funneled through the ISI and Pakistan. Yeah, bin Laden and future Taliban leaders might have been recipients of said aid after going through several middle men, but to say it was directly "dotted" from the USG is not being truthful.

Learn your history.

Grand, this is going to turn into one of those pissing matches where we go back and forth with sources and you dismiss sources that don't agree with your beliefs and we dismiss sources that you provide. All I can say is that there is plenty of info out here that tells a narrative of Bin Laden being assisted by the US in some form or fashion. We can argue which alphabet organization and what timeline, but the information is out there.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It's those that are truly sheep that keep making excuses and playing games rather than simply stating Biden screwed this up.

We can't have it both ways. Either he is running the WH or he's being coached along the way. If the popular opinion is that we basically have a "Weekend at Bernie's" situation going on, then we need to blame this on the people really running the show. Call them the Deep State, an alphabet organization, whatever. But its obvious, to me at least, that Biden is not control of his own faculties, much less in control of how things were coordinated in Afghanistan.

You find out who is really calling the shots and you unravel all of this nonsense over the past 8 months.

 

[NEO]

We can't have it both ways. Either he is running the WH or he's being coached along the way. If the popular opinion is that we basically have a "Weekend at Bernie's" situation going on, then we need to blame this on the people really running the show. Call them the Deep State, an alphabet organization, whatever. But its obvious, to me at least, that Biden is not control of his own faculties, much less in control of how things were coordinated in Afghanistan.

You find out who is really calling the shots and you unravel all of this nonsense over the past 8 months.

Or….our leaders are so in bed with China that they allow this crap to go down while the Chinese embassy stays and gains another foothold.

I am not saying that Is what happened but what if our own leaders are doing everything possible to destabilize our country and our allies?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Or….our leaders are so in bed with China that they allow this crap to go down while the Chinese embassy stays and gains another foothold.

I am not saying that Is what happened but what if our own leaders are doing everything possible to destabilize our country and our allies?

That may be the case, but I'm not sure how much of the daily decision making Biden is actually involved in. I think there are people coaching this game from a skybox somewhere. The "coach" on the field is just wearing a headset and has a whistle around his neck for props.

 

[NEO]

That may be the case, but I'm not sure how much of the daily decision making Biden is actually involved in. I think there are people coaching this game from a skybox somewhere. The "coach" on the field is just wearing a headset and has a whistle around his neck for props.

Oh I agree.

We are in total OZ mode.

 

[508mikey]

Hope this never comes true Tucker Carlson says Afghan refugees will 'invade' the US and over the next decade their numbers 'may swell to the millions'

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

Hope this never comes true Tucker Carlson says Afghan refugees will 'invade' the US and over the next decade their numbers 'may swell to the millions'

The Gubmint has already tagged 30,000 to resettle and I’m positive they are all fine upstanding people.

 

[Weezer]

From some of the articles I've read, some of "allies" don't think we should have withdrawn our troops. They apparently believe we should have kept sending American soldiers over there to be shot at to keep the country "stable" If it meant that much to them, why didn't they send more of their soldiers to maintain that stability? America is expected to be the heavy lifter. We're expected to sacrifice more than our "allies". It's bull ****. Are they our allies, or do they just want to ride on our coat tails? Enough American lives have been lost in a war that cannot be won with the way we were fighting it.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

We can't have it both ways. Either he is running the WH or he's being coached along the way. If the popular opinion is that we basically have a "Weekend at Bernie's" situation going on, then we need to blame this on the people really running the show. Call them the Deep State, an alphabet organization, whatever. But its obvious, to me at least, that Biden is not control of his own faculties, much less in control of how things were coordinated in Afghanistan.

You find out who is really calling the shots and you unravel all of this nonsense over the past 8 months.

I think there are about 80 million people who know Joe is a dementia addled career clown that is incapable of even taking care of himself, much less running the most powerful nation on Earth. Especially after sundown..during the time which the other side of the planet is wide awake and in need of a competent US leader. We would love to know who masters the puppet that is Joe Biden...

The Gubmint has already tagged 30,000 to resettle and I’m positive they are all fine upstanding people.

For the select few in danger bc they served as interpreters etc for us, and want to acclimate and embrace US ideas and lifestyle, i have no problen allowijg them entry and a path to citizenship. If our leaders however havent watched what has happened to western Europe after allowing these muslim men to come in droves and establish enclaves and "no go zones" while skyrocketing rape and terrorism incidents to unheard of levels....if they allow thousands and thousands in...they should be tarred and feathered or locked up. So very stupid

 

[RikidyBones]

From some of the articles I've read, some of "allies" don't think we should have withdrawn our troops. They apparently believe we should have kept sending American soldiers over there to be shot at to keep the country "stable" If it meant that much to them, why didn't they send more of their soldiers to maintain that stability? America is expected to be the heavy lifter. We're expected to sacrifice more than our "allies". It's bull ****. Are they our allies, or do they just want to ride on our coat tails? Enough American lives have been lost in a war that cannot be won with the way we were fighting it.

This would be my response to them. They are more than welcome to take the reigns with Afghanistan but they won't.

 

[FLVOL_79]

One thing is for certain when looking at Afghanistan, it goes to show some civilizations have barely progressed beyond the caveman era.

And they often seem fine with that.

The USA has to realize, at some point, not everyone wants to be like us or the West. If they do they will rise up against their oppressors.

 

[Zues1]

How is The Talibans rate of COVID-19 infection coming along?
Or for that matter the Afgans

 

[508mikey]

How is The Talibans rate of COVID-19 infection coming along?
Or for that matter the Afgans

not a peep about it

 

[FLVOL_79]

How is The Talibans rate of COVID-19 infection coming along?
Or for that matter the Afgans

These are important questions. Forget about the Biden disaster. I'd be interested in their rate of infection for the Delta variant of Covid and their mortality rate. Also, what are the Talibans plans to be a more inclusive and diverse government? Do they plan on giving low interest loans out to ethnic minority poppy farmers? And what are their plans for oppression of women? Are they going to expand that to be more inclusive and include non binary peoples of non determined race, color, or gender? When do they plan to go green and eliminate their carbon footprint?