Tebow Goes in First Round to Denver

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Incinigator said:
At pick #25, he's a project and a bad pick.

Eight picks later, at pick #33, he still would have gone way before Clausen and McCoy. Yet at that point the pick then becomes acceptable to everyone ? I doubt it.
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He's a project whether he's #25 or #125. All I'm saying is that it's a heck of a gamble to pick a QB with that many question marks in the 1st round. Obviously they think the intangibles and upside outweigh the mechanics, Time will tell.
 
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#128
Incinigator said:
At pick #25, he's a project and a bad pick.

Eight picks later, at pick #33, he still would have gone way before Clausen and McCoy. Yet at that point the pick then becomes acceptable to everyone ? I doubt it.
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There's where if you'd bother to learn about pro football you'd see that there's a big difference between the 1st and 2nd rd money. Money drives the NFL and it plays a HUGE role when it comes to the salary cap. The difference in $ if they had got him in the 2nd could have been used in other areas of need. Now, its all tied up with TT and if he doesnt pan out, they're stuck. No, screwed. Ask Oakland
 
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GAVol said:
He's a project whether he's #25 or #125. All I'm saying is that it's a heck of a gamble to pick a QB with that many question marks in the 1st round. Obviously they think the intangibles and upside outweigh the mechanics, Time will tell.
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I'm sure to rivals and those that hate the Gators Tebow is undraftable.

However, isn't it amazing that some of those who make a living and spend millions on such matters chose to draft him at #25 in the first round instead of waiting until pick #125 ?

Quite the gap in talent and potential assessment isn't there ?
 
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#130
Incinigator said:
I'm sure to rivals and those that hate the Gators Tebow is undraftable.
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Nobody said he's undraftable . . . just that it's a little bit of a stretch for him to go that early. I'd bet that most Florida fans didn't expect him to go that early either.
 
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#131
That "most people" did not expect him to go that early proves neither that he went too early nor that he will or won't do anything in the NFL.

You UT fans have been figuring out ways to rationalize minimizing Tebow for the last four years. Even if it makes absolutely no sense for you to do so. You'd think that by now you'd have learned your lesson, which is that every time you come up with a reason to doubt Tim Tebow he has basically kicked your ass.
 
#132
#132
well you better run out and get your Tebow Denver jersey before they get shipped to Haiti with the Butler National Champion shirts
 
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lawgator1 said:
That "most people" did not expect him to go that early proves neither that he went too early nor that he will or won't do anything in the NFL.

You UT fans have been figuring out ways to rationalize minimizing Tebow for the last four years. Even if it makes absolutely no sense for you to do so. You'd think that by now you'd have learned your lesson, which is that every time you come up with a reason to doubt Tim Tebow he has basically kicked your ass.
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The pro game, especially at the QB position, if far different from the college game (esp if you come from a Spread). It's really a shame an NFL team fell for Tebow's off-field bull crap and his "will to win" along with his gimmick new throwing motion that he somehow came up with in 3 weeks.
 
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Sudeepvol said:
The pro game, especially at the QB position, if far different from the college game (esp if you come from a Spread). It's really a shame an NFL team fell for Tebow's off-field bull crap and his "will to win" along with his gimmick new throwing motion that he somehow came up with in 3 weeks.
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I don't doubt but that its an uphill battle, but that's true of 90 percent of the players drafted every year.

You folks have seen him on tv. None of you, I suspect, has seen him in person (other than from the stands). You aren't NFL scouts. You have no special insight.

People who make a living making these decisions ran the guy through drills to test him according to their criteria. Might they be wrong? Sure. But right now I put infinitely more stock in their opinion than I do the combined NFL expertise of everyone on this board, which is basically nill.
 
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#136
GAVol said:
OK . . . Then what are you so fired up about?
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Aggravated that a bunch of know nothings continue to chime in that, because a bunch of other people they don't know opined about someone they've never met, then the decision of someone who has met and tested Tebow is bogus.

Just wish that people would be honest and say they want himn to fail because he smushed you like a bug for four years on the way to a great college career, that you resent that, and that you quit hiding behind others' phantom opinions.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't doubt but that its an uphill battle, but that's true of 90 percent of the players drafted every year.

You folks have seen him on tv. None of you, I suspect, has seen him in person (other than from the stands). You aren't NFL scouts. You have no special insight.

People who make a living making these decisions ran the guy through drills to test him according to their criteria. Might they be wrong? Sure. But right now I put infinitely more stock in their opinion than I do the combined NFL expertise of everyone on this board, which is basically nill.
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And I put my trust in the majority of these "NFL experts" while you put you stock in one idiotic coach. We all know what the vast majority of the scouts and analysts have said about Tebow...he's a 2nd-4th round player. No way he's first round caliber (and that's just not the opinion of our fanbase, it's pretty much everyone's).
 
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lawgator1 said:
Aggravated that a bunch of know nothings continue to chime in that, because a bunch of other people they don't know opined about someone they've never met, then the decision of someone who has met and tested Tebow is bogus.

Just wish that people would be honest and say they want himn to fail because he smushed you like a bug for four years on the way to a great college career, that you resent that, and that you quit hiding behind others' phantom opinions.
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LG, I've found you a new avatar.
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#139
lawgator1 said:
Aggravated that a bunch of know nothings continue to chime in that, because a bunch of other people they don't know opined about someone they've never met, then the decision of someone who has met and tested Tebow is bogus.

Just wish that people would be honest and say they want himn to fail because he smushed you like a bug for four years on the way to a great college career, that you resent that, and that you quit hiding behind others' phantom opinions.
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I, for one, don't want him to fail. He is a good kid with great character and I think he deserves it. He's gone about everything in a very respectable manner.

I'm just extremely annoyed with all of the attention he gets ALL the time. He's a good, not great, QB(note I said QB not overall player/competitor) but he gets attention like he's the next Montana or Manning.

I believe the Denver system is a system that he can do very well in. I just think he was taken way too early. He undoubtedly should have been a second round pick at best. But with McDaniels taking Thomas over Bryant shows a lot about his evaluation skills, but that's another discussion.

All in all, I hope he does well in the NFL. I just know he has a lot of work to do. But I believe with his work ethic he can do it. And this is coming from a UT homer.
 
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Sudeepvol said:
And I put my trust in the majority of these "NFL experts" while you put you stock in one idiotic coach. We all know what the vast majority of the scouts and analysts have said about Tebow...he's a 2nd-4th round player. No way he's first round caliber (and that's just not the opinion of our fanbase, it's pretty much everyone's).
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As though every team selected based on the same criteria and had exaclty the same need at every stage in the draft.

Don't know about you, but my impression watching the draft this year was that the on air commentators criticized virtually every decision past the top three made by anybody. It got to the point I thought they were going to start *****ing about people's shoes.

Its fun and interesting to project how things will go, but the whole business of commenting on and criticizing the deciisons made by the people who made them, where said decisions are by defnition purely subjective, and based on their unique knolwedge of their own team, is patently ridiculous.

You don't see Gatro fans on here whining that Eric Berry is going to wash out, do you? No, because we recognize the kid has talent and figure that he's going to make it and deserves his shot.

But you UT fans just cannot stop taking smacks at Tebow. We all know why. You aren't fooling anyone.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Any answer from you Gators?

Remember all those Florida QBs that put up better passing stats than Tebow.

How did they fair in the NFL?
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You take a sample of aboput three or four players over 20 years and conclude that, therefore, Tebow will be no good and that the Florida program, despite a myriad of different coaches and approaches, is doomed to forever produce QBs who cannot succeed in the NFL.

Pure idiocy.
 
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#143
We can only use 20 years of data. That's all the football history you have
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#146
#146
lawgator1 said:
That "most people" did not expect him to go that early proves neither that he went too early nor that he will or won't do anything in the NFL.

You UT fans have been figuring out ways to rationalize minimizing Tebow for the last four years. Even if it makes absolutely no sense for you to do so. You'd think that by now you'd have learned your lesson, which is that every time you come up with a reason to doubt Tim Tebow he has basically kicked your ass.
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i'm pretty sure monte kiffin owned teblows his senior year and if crompton was the qb he was the 2nd half of the year gators lose
lawgator1 said:
Aggravated that a bunch of know nothings continue to chime in that, because a bunch of other people they don't know opined about someone they've never met, then the decision of someone who has met and tested Tebow is bogus.

Just wish that people would be honest and say they want himn to fail because he smushed you like a bug for four years on the way to a great college career, that you resent that, and that you quit hiding behind others' phantom opinions.
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so were a bunch of know nothings on a UT board stating our opinion about a UF qb how much sense does that make that you came on here to bash us?
 
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#147
Vols4life said:
i'm pretty sure monte kiffin owned teblows his senior year and if crompton was the qb he was the 2nd half of the year gators lose




so were a bunch of know nothings on a UT board stating our opinion about a UF qb how much sense does that make that you came on here to bash us?
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Who is Monte Kiffin?
 
#148
#148
Alex Smith was coached by Urban Meyer and was taken in the first round. So far he's been a bust.

Chris Leak was coached by Urban Meyer for 2 years and was not drafted. He's not in the NFL.

Meyer is 0-2 so far. Tebow has only ran the spread option offense. What NFL team runs a spread option offense more than a wildcat package? None. He has a long way to go before he will get any respect. I just don't see him picking up an offense he has never run before, while also reading blitzes, coverages, etc. in a matter of a few seconds. If he is able to pick up all of that stuff in the next 3-4 years he might turn out to be an average NFL QB, but it's not very likely. He has way too many things going against him.
 
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#149
lawgator1 said:
You take a sample of aboput three or four players over 20 years and conclude that, therefore, Tebow will be no good and that the Florida program, despite a myriad of different coaches and approaches, is doomed to forever produce QBs who cannot succeed in the NFL.

Pure idiocy.
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Pure truth! Florida has never produced an NFL QB that was worth two cents. The only offensive player worth a damn that came out of Florida was Emmit Smith.

Tebow was a huge gamble. A 1st round pick, in most instances, is expected to contribute early, not 3 or 4 years down the road. Tebow will need those years to develop into an NFL QB.

I dont blame Tebow. I blame his useless ex-coach, his playground football offense, and his in-ability to prepare his offensive playmakers for the NFL.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Pure truth! Florida has never produced an NFL QB that was worth two cents. The only offensive player worth a damn that came out of Florida was Emmit Smith.

Tebow was a huge gamble. A 1st round pick, in most instances, is expected to contribute early, not 3 or 4 years down the road. Tebow will need those years to develop into an NFL QB.

I dont blame Tebow. I blame his useless ex-coach, his playground football offense, and his in-ability to prepare his offensive playmakers for the NFL.
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Percy Harvin had a pretty decent season this year. Louis Murphy did as well. But still, the odds are still way in the non-producing category overall.
 
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