Tenn. Senate OKs Bill To Allow Anti-Evolution Talk In Classrooms

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NEOCON said:
Nobody has a clue how old the earth is.

but scientist who claim they know exactly the age of the earth are just as foolish as theologist who claim the same thing.
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I lean towards billions,why don't Christians think god could have created through evolution ? That's my question.
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marcusluvsvols said:
I give absolutely no weight to a magazine article or a percentage of humans that believe something. If 100% percent of any population believe a lie it does not make it truth. A couple hundred years ago I'm sure 99.85% of scientists believed the earth was flat. They were wrong about that too. While your scientists are working hard to fill the huge gaps...like the total lack of evidence life has ever occurred by chance...we are working to spread the Gospel. I don't understand the " we are working hard to support our theory" defense for pushing your beliefs on kids. The bottom line is evolutionists are doing exactly. What they fought against Christians for in the scopes trials- pushing a faith based theory as fact on the masses. We can go back and forth forever but the truth is still the truth. It takes faith to believe you came from a rock....that astronomical odds were defeated over and over and over endlessly. There is absolutely no evidence for your claims of spontaneous accidental generation of life. Until there is evidence or it can be reproduced in a scientific method it is fiction, not fact. The fact that your theory seems logical to you changes nothing.
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That is absolutely false.
 
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NEOCON said:
Nobody has a clue how old the earth is.

but scientist who claim they know exactly the age of the earth are just as foolish as theologist who claim the same thing.
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Yes, scientists do have a clue. They use several methods to arrive at an approximate date of 4.6 billion years.

Take a look
The Age of the Earth

Again, this does not mean A God did not create the universe.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
One post that really got under my skin in this thread was when the poster said " if you ever get a genetic disorder I hope you remember that poor little fly..." that honestly made me feel sorry for you. That post shows how lost you really are man. When my wife was pregnant with my daughter (our 2nd child) her uterus filled completely with blood. She was bleeding badly so we rushed to the hospital and watched the ultrasound. You couldn't even see the baby, only hear her little heart beating about 140? Beats a min on a black screen where she should have been. The doctors told us her body was aborting the pregnancy and that "it". (My daughter) would pass (jettison) in 24 to 36 hours. Modern medical science could do nothing for us. So I spent the next 2 days waiting on my wife hand and foot and knowing that every time she got up to go to the bathroom she could be losing our child. To say we prayed fervently for God to give as miracle would be an incredible understatement. A month or so passed and the same thing happened again, same diagnosis...same miracle. After the second one the doctors said there were irregularities in the ultrasounds and we should expect birth defects when our daughter arrived in june if she managed to live full term. My daughter, to Gods Glory, was born without a scratch on her and is now a brilliant 3 year old. Beautiful just like her mom. Lord willing she will be able to completely read and write when she arrives for her first day of school just like my son . When REAL life threatening situations face the ones you love the most...when medicine says they can do no more...you will beg God to help you. Even though you mock Him here...you will beg Him through tears to spare you or the ones you love more than yourself. He is merciful. He may give you that miracle just so you know He can. He has given me many miracles in my life. I hope he does the same for you. I am going to pray that He will reveal the truth to you.
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I am perplexed as to how my post upsets you. I merely mentioned that the experiments you mentioned are the source for a lot of our knowledge for genetic and developmental diseases. I don't understand how that is remotely offensive.

As for the story of your daughter, that is wonderful. As a non-Christian I have a different interpretation of your story but it is a miraculous, heart-warming story nonetheless. :hi:
 
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PKT_VOL said:
I am perplexed as to how my post upsets you. I merely mentioned that the experiments you mentioned are the source for a lot of our knowledge for genetic and developmental diseases. I don't understand how that is remotely offensive.

As for the story of your daughter, that is wonderful. As a non-Christian I have a different interpretation of your story but it is a miraculous, heart-warming story nonetheless. :hi:
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Marcus is much more tame in the zone

:)
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
To clarify ...I don't believe in the day/ age theory or the gap theory. Not sure if that's what you were asking. They are IMO ways the modern church is trying to reconcile its beliefs with fossil "dating"...we laugh now about the stupid conclusions scientists drew 200 years ago. 200 years from now scientists today will be mocked as well. That's the nature of science. Gods word is eternal.
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Just curious, how old do you believe the Earth is?
 
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#272
marcusluvsvols said:
Interesting points you raise. As a matter of evolution being a change in species over time I believe it myself. Some of it is clearly demonstrated in a lab (bacteria etc.)
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That is the most level-headed thing I have seen you post.

marcusluvsvols said:
The problem is they teach the "rock wash/ primordial soup" theory as fact and lump it all together. As an origin of life evolution is far fetched at best. To summarize, this is how this thread has gone:
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Between the two of us, there is only one of us that has taken a 400 level Evolution class. I can assure you that the "rock wash/primordial soup" theory you are referencing was not taught. They did not touch the subject of creation or as it more scientifically known, abiogenesis

marcusluvsvols said:
They believe everything (matter, life) came from nothing (nothing?)
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I am not sure anybody in this thread has argued this point at all.

marcusluvsvols said:
...that the Bible says there is only 1 path to salvation is quite serious.
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Religious texts all over the world have the same message as the New Testament. They believe that you are going to Hell because you are turning away from (their) God's word. I hope you realize that fate has a lot to do with the fact that you're a Christian and not another faith or nonbeliever.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
On your first point: that is something I never understood either. I'm agnostic, raised in a not very strict Christian home, and can't fathom the idea that if I live a true and just life that I will not be accepted to heaven (if there is one) simply because I didn't accept JC. But a murderer on death row can repent at the last minute and be accepted. Its something that truly turns me off on religion. My mom and I debate this much more often than I care too. I also don't feel that the reward/punishment of the afterlife should be the guiding influence in good morals.
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I totally agree. The notion of salvation without deeds or salvation trumping deeds is absurd to me. If that is the case, the Christian God is no God I want to kneel before.

burntorangeVOLffle said:
On your second point: as an agnostic I have no problem believing that A God (if there is one) created the universe and the mechanisms that make it function (including evolution). However, I don't think that should be taught in science class. Furthermore, the term "creationism" is usually used to describe the literal translation of Genesis. That Adam and Eve were the fist two humans and every one else is descended from them and the linage can be traced back approximately 6000 years. THAT should definitely not be taught in science class. Different churches have varying views on this but regardless it has no place in the science class.
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You should come over to the dark side of pantheism. :)
 
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Meaning that deeds are essentially irrelevant on judgement day. The notion that only salvation through Jesus Christ matters.
 
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