Tenn. Senate OKs Bill To Allow Anti-Evolution Talk In Classrooms

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utvolpj said:
what does that have to do with accepting Jesus? Are you saying you can get into heaven without that and just recognizing there is a god?
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keep up pj.....or stop trolling :), the discussion was about people that have not heard the gospel, thus not having the choice to accept or reject
 
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T-TownVol said:
keep up pj.....or stop trolling :), the discussion was about people that have not heard the gospel, thus not having the choice to accept or reject
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I thought I was keeping up.

PKT_VOL said:
What about people are ignorant of both the Old Testament and New Testament, past present and future?
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T-TownVol said:
no one has an excuse
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Your verse said there is no excuse even if you haven't heard it right? Well how can they know to accept Jesus if they've never heard of him? Can you get to heaven without ever hearing/knowing/accepting Christ even if you acknowledge God?

OrangeEmpire said:
Tough call, if the age of accountability holds, those people are suffering eternal damnation.
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so God created millions of people all the while knowing they were predetermined to an eternity of suffering and damnation? Wow
 
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utvolpj said:
I thought I was keeping up.





Your verse said there is no excuse even if you haven't heard it right? Well how can they know to accept Jesus if they've never heard of him? Can you get to heaven without ever hearing/knowing/accepting Christ even if you acknowledge God?



so God created millions of people all the while knowing they were predetermined to an eternity of suffering and damnation? Wow
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God created millions of people
 
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utvolpj said:
I thought I was keeping up.





Your verse said there is no excuse even if you haven't heard it right? Well how can they know to accept Jesus if they've never heard of him? Can you get to heaven without ever hearing/knowing/accepting Christ even if you acknowledge God?
YES, if you lived before Christ came to earth.
so God created millions of people all the while knowing they were predetermined to an eternity of suffering and damnation? Wow
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NO, see above.
 
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utvolpj said:
I thought I was keeping up.





Your verse said there is no excuse even if you haven't heard it right? Well how can they know to accept Jesus if they've never heard of him? Can you get to heaven without ever hearing/knowing/accepting Christ even if you acknowledge God?



so God created millions of people all the while knowing they were predetermined to an eternity of suffering and damnation? Wow
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is it any wonder why so many Christians are judgmental?
 
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utvolpj said:
Not sure how a higher number helps your cause but insert any one you want. Did God create even one person who was destined to spend eternity that way?
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I guess my disconnect is God created......Adam and Eve?

Jesus?
 
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utvolpj said:
Not sure how a lower number helps your cause but insert any one you want. Did God create even one person who was destined to spend eternity that way?
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fify.........God's will is for all to be saved and provided a way for all to come to him no matter when they were born.....you keep trying to apply the current day/New Testament standard to the people that lived before Christ came to Earth.
 
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T-TownVol said:
fify.........God's will is for all to be saved and provided a way for all to come to him no matter when they were born.....you keep trying to apply the current day/New Testament standard to the people that lived before Christ came to Earth.
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not fixed at all. You don't think there are millions that have lived in the last 2000 yrs that missed the NT version of how to get to heaven?
 
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utvolpj said:
not fixed at all. You don't think there are millions that have lived in the last 2000 yrs that missed the NT version of how to get to heaven?
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there was a tribe of people recently discovered living in the Amazon region (or other such remote place), it was determined that they are pretty much stuck in the Stone Age and have never had any contact with the outside world.

A Christian would tell you that those people are going to Hell because ignorance is no excuse.
 
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MG1968 said:
there was a tribe of people recently discovered living in the Amazon region (or other such remote place), it was determined that they are pretty much stuck in the Stone Age and have never had any contact with the outside world.

A Christian would tell you that those people are going to Hell because ignorance is no excuse.
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It is a conundrum.

Which holds, hearing the gospel or age of accountability?
 
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utvolpj said:
not fixed at all. You don't think there are millions that have lived in the last 2000 yrs that missed the NT version of how to get to heaven?
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the "fixed" part is that God "created" only two humans........you keep trying to justify something that is a free gift and since you can not justify it in your mind, it must be wrong.......I do not have all the answers but also do not need all the answers, as you and so many others do, to trust God
 
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MG1968 said:
there was a tribe of people recently discovered living in the Amazon region (or other such remote place), it was determined that they are pretty much stuck in the Stone Age and have never had any contact with the outside world.

The Bible tells you that those people are going to Hell because ignorance is no excuse.
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fify.....this tribe reverts back to Romans 1:20........this issue is not a reason to not believe as you do know the gospel
 
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T-TownVol said:
the "fixed" part is that God "created" only two humans........you keep trying to justify something that is a free gift and since you can not justify it in your mind, it must be wrong.......I do not have all the answers but also do not need all the answers, as you and so many others do, to trust God
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ah word games, that's cute. I don't have to justify anything. You actually do since there are holes all throughout your ideas. Either there is only one way to get to heaven or the rules resemble the US tax code.

how about this- God allowed people to be created all the while knowing they had no chance except to suffer for all eternity. Sounds like a fun guy to give some a new car while others get a lifetime supply of Rice-a-roni
 
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Interesting, God created perfection. Man was an experiment of free will imo because the angels are direct servants.

Because of omnipotence God knew man would fail, so why the experiment?

Why place a temptation in the garden?
 
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utvolpj said:
ah word games, that's cute. I don't have to justify anything. You actually do since there are holes all throughout your ideas. Either there is only one way to get to heaven or the rules resemble the US tax code.

how about this- God allowed people to be created all the while knowing they had no chance except to suffer for all eternity. Sounds like a fun guy to give some a new car while others get a lifetime supply of Rice-a-roni
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no word games at all on my end, what ever floats your boat pj....every thing I have said is from the Bible, I guess that is where I am wrong in your mind, sorry for wasting your time and VN's band width
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Interesting, God created perfection. Man was an experiment of free will imo because the angels are direct servants.

Because of omnipotence God knew man would fail, so why the experiment?

Why place a temptation in the garden?
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good luck, he is all yours
 
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