Tenn. Senate OKs Bill To Allow Anti-Evolution Talk In Classrooms

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utvolpj said:
do you think the people introducing this bill would be ok with that being taught as well? How about the idea that aliens did it? It's a (thinly) veiled attempt to introduce the story of Genesis where it does not belong
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No, I dont agree with the bill. It is a trivial attempt at control.

Freedom is every thing!
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Obviously, odd quote to use though.

It was not even the primary battle of the campaign.

Tennyson good writer though.
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I thought it was well played by pj....but it confirms what he thinks of Christianity and proves my claim that he is looking for justification in his mind imo
 
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T-TownVol said:
I thought it was well played by pj....but it confirms what he thinks of Christianity and proves my claim that he is looking for justification in his mind imo
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Ive always operated under factual is funny.

Better served to choose quotes by heroes of faith.
 
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T-TownVol said:
I thought it was well played by pj....but it confirms what he thinks of Christianity and proves my claim that he is looking for justification in his mind imo
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it's not Christianity it's all org religion. The push for it to be in every part of our lives is getting ridiculous IMO. Keep it in your church and I'm ok with it

OrangeEmpire said:
If Im PJ I would go to Spurgeon for blind allegiance quotes.

Guess it is just me though.
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meh, it's what you get when I'm at work
 
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I may be totally off base here but isn't there a verse in the NT, I'm thinking Romans but that may not be it, where it states (I'm very much paraphrasing here) that we will be judged based on what we've been exposed to? I.E. one with much knowledge will have more expected of them than one with little knowledge?
 
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I like how this thread has evolved (pun intended) into a full on religious discussion.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Sorry if that is what you take from this. PJ keeps saying that i have not answered his questions when I have. To accept Christ one must "think as a child", as to suspend the natural urge for scientific fact. It is 100% a faith issue, but when attacked, am i not to respond?

"If you do not bump into satan every once in a while......you must be headed in the same direction."
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Sure, but if your position is faith, and faith alone, not sure what the point is of explaining anything when asked a direct logical question.

"Faith. That's it. I concede it makes absolutely no sense and logical rules don't apply."

That is basically the answer you are giving, which we all know (and you included it seems) does not address what pj is asking.

The issue of salvation still addresses an issue by applying a solution to a problem. There is still a logical conclusion being made (ie...somebody did this thing, so that this other thing is taken care of). Even if this is God's way of doing things, you seem fine to go down this road to explain something. You want to throw the rules out when the logical explanation no longer works.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I may be totally off base here but isn't there a verse in the NT, I'm thinking Romans but that may not be it, where it states (I'm very much paraphrasing here) that we will be judged based on what we've been exposed to? I.E. one with much knowledge will have more expected of them than one with little knowledge?
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I guess you have not figured out that you can not actually use the words of the Bible as an answer to a question in this thread.....I have been using Romans and it is being totally discounted as a "real" answer.
 
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rjd970 said:
Sure, but if your position is faith, and faith alone, not sure what the point is of explaining anything when asked a direct logical question.

"Faith. That's it. I concede it makes absolutely no sense and logical rules don't apply."

That is basically the answer you are giving, which we all know (and you included it seems) does not address what pj is asking.

The issue of salvation still addresses an issue by applying a solution to a problem. There is still a logical conclusion being made (ie...somebody did this thing, so that this other thing is taken care of). Even if this is God's way of doing things, you seem fine to go down this road to explain something. You want to throw the rules out when the logical explanation no longer works.
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Whose rules? Once again, I have answered all questions asked, it is just not the answer you seem to want so you keep trying to come from a different direction. The answer to all these questions are in the words of the Bible even if you choose to discount them as non factual.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I may be totally off base here but isn't there a verse in the NT, I'm thinking Romans but that may not be it, where it states (I'm very much paraphrasing here) that we will be judged based on what we've been exposed to? I.E. one with much knowledge will have more expected of them than one with little knowledge?
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Yes, the what of the age of accountability?
 
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utvolpj said:
which is why I havse such an issue with it. Just like this thread subject, the people pushing it don't want "debate" they want to be able to introduce creation/ID as a valid argument in science classes. Thing is, they most likely only want the Christian view of creationism to be presented. No idea if there is a creation story in the Koran but you know full well that wouldn't be very welcome
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Almost the entire old testament is in the koran. They also believe in the virgin birth of Christ. They believe like the jews that he was only a prophet not Messiah.
 
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