Tennessee considers withholding monoclonal antibody treatment from vaccinated citizens

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luthervol said:
I keep hoping you will start to see glimmers of that elusive 3rd dimension.
You replaced orange crush as the new poster boy for 2-dimensional concrete.
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I see no merits in any extra dimensions you think might exist in order to support your irrational dumbassery laden posts.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
If there really is the threat of an impending shortage, the first step should be increasing production (which would be quite simple, really) -- and this should be the focus of the fed government. Next, revise the criteria for MAb to include only those at higher risk for hospitalization/poor outcomes -- e.g. raise the minimum age from 12 to maybe 35/45, exclude fully-vaccinated individuals unless they have an immunocompromised condition, ... The latter should be the responsibility of the CDC/NIH/professional medical associations.
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production is being increased. the kicker seems to be that since HHS took control of distribution they've changed the market system where shortages were not visible to one where "equitable" distribution is the rule and some states were just using too much (though I've seen no evidence that some states were not able to obtain supply).

I can only hope (but have little faith) that the HHS distribution plan has no political agenda. That said, even if the motive is pure as the driven snow, the insertion of a single govt agency in to the supply chain is likely to cause disruptions.
 
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luthervol said:
Health insurance companies just need to add a $500 surcharge for each covered person not vaccinated.
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Then they should be able to add a $1000 surcharge AND require annual physicals, bloodwork numbers, BMI and have the digital capability to track groceryconvenient store purchases of the obese and overweight. 42% of Americans are considered obese. Obese or overweight combines for around 73%. I would say this has reached a pandemic of epic proportions. Do we really want to go down this road?

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kiddiedoc said:
Why so late to make this move? Just like with restarting the infusions this summer, everyone seems to be about 1-2 months behind on every major decision involving COVID treatment.
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It’s almost like the clown in chief has no other answer than “just get the jab and all better”. Nah that couldn’t be it I’m sure the admin is being proactive in managing this situation
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Why so late to make this move? Just like with restarting the infusions this summer, everyone seems to be about 1-2 months behind on every major decision involving COVID treatment.
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Exactly. The approach should have been "every available treatment option" and double time it. Too much $$ and political pressure to put all our eggs in the vaccination basket.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Why so late to make this move? Just like with restarting the infusions this summer, everyone seems to be about 1-2 months behind on every major decision involving COVID treatment.
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don't forget our lagging in rapid tests.

Honestly this is a fail for the administration - all eggs in the vax basket while ignoring the other tools.

EDIT - didn't see 737's post
 
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Vol737 said:
Exactly. The approach should have been "every available treatment option" and double time it. Too much $$ and political pressure to put all our eggs in the vaccination basket.
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Especially when (apparently) vaccinated patients are becoming symptomatic often enough to be using some significant portion of the available MAb.

This is what happens when the POTUS stands up in front of national TV and tells everyone that you can't catch and spread CV if you've been vaccinated.
 
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Vol737 said:
Then they should be able to add a $1000 surcharge AND require annual physicals, bloodwork numbers, BMI and have the digital capability to track groceryconvenient store purchases of the obese and overweight. 42% of Americans are considered obese. Obese or overweight combines for around 73%. I would say this has reached a pandemic of epic proportions. Do we really want to go down this road?

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No I don't want to go down that road.
I do not agree with surcharges for tobacco use or pre-existing conditions.
Some people make unwise decisions that cost the rest of us money.
Smoking, overeating, refusing the vax......etc.
I just want people to be consistent.
 
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AshG said:
Because that is nearly impossible to do, for a number of reasons. Not the least of which would be that my understanding of immunology has evolved to accept that no vaccine is 100% effective and requires some level of promulgation within the body in order to trigger an appropriate immune response.
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And therein lies my problem with this whole damned thing... Nobody is talking about immunity, and those that do get shouted down or outright cancelled on SM. It is either 'vaxxed' or 'unvaxxed'. That's it. And THAT is what is so inconceivably wrong with this whole thing. THAT is why 'vaxxed' people are spreading this thing as well as 'unvaxxed'. The virus has already mutated beyond the original strain that the 'vaccine' was designed for. duuuuuh, didn't see THAT coming. But that hasn't stopped the full on push to get that **** in our bodies has it?
 
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AshG said:
The Tennessean

Due to a high use of monoclonal antibody treatments in southern states resulting in shortages, Tennessee is considering saving the treatments for the unvaccinated.
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One of the reasons for this is the Biden administration has limited the supply of antibodies to 7 Southern states thus causing those states to restrict their supply usage to the sickest patients
 
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luthervol said:
No I don't want to go down that road.
I do not agree with surcharges for tobacco use or pre-existing conditions.
Some people make unwise decisions that cost the rest of us money.
Smoking, overeating, refusing the vax......etc.
I just want people to be consistent.
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No you don’t you already proposed a non vaxed surcharge then doubled down on it. As usual you are all over the damn place making 💩 up on the fly.
 
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volinbham said:
you suggested it as a solution!
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Only to generate thought.
Some nuts on here would get the vax if it saved them $500, but they will avoid the vax as long at the cost is being spread across the whole system.

I just want some of those nuts to realize that is what they are doing.
 
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luthervol said:
Only to generate thought.
Some nuts on here would get the vax if it saved them $500, but they will avoid the vax as long at the cost is being spread across the whole system.

I just want some of those nuts to realize that is what they are doing.
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luthervol said:
What????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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What are your ideas around punitive measures for the unvaccinated? You can't have punitive measures but still allow them to receive the same care as everyone else right? Or are you going to make them now pay some out of pocket for this universal care?
 
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luthervol said:
I would go more with incentives. If the problem continued, then maybe something more punitive.
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So can I come over and beat the crap out of you if you don't get your flu shot every year... or shingles... or whatever vaccine I feel is important? Or ride your motorcycle without a helmet.. smoke... eat fries and bacon? Drink Coke? That kind of 'punitive'?
 
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luthervol said:
Only to generate thought.
Some nuts on here would get the vax if it saved them $500, but they will avoid the vax as long at the cost is being spread across the whole system.

I just want some of those nuts to realize that is what they are doing.
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