Tennessee has only one black assistant coach?!

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89hoss said:
Now this is a very crazy and an uneducated thread here with lots of posters that tend to make you wonder. I for one may get flamed but here we go. I for one am a college educated black man of 40 years of age. I would have just as a hard time sending my child to an institution that did not have quote unquote a fare share of black coaches that i feel my child could trust and relate to away from home. There are situations in life such as this thread that a young black kid does not have the education or seen enough of this ugly world to handle things that are said or done to them. I really feel that if some of the people here could close there eyes and just wonder what they would say if an all black coaching staff from a black college was recruiting their white child what would they say or think, would you let them go. These type of things is what can divide a team, a fan base, I have seen it happen at other schools so please keep in mind that although we may all be Vol fans but be considerate that all Vol fans may not be of the same race! In other words be considerate of others.
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Ask Jim Gregory :good!:
 
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I get the feeling from reading this thread that a lot of posters aren't yet old enough to have kids who are entering college or who have already done so, because there seems to be a lot of ignorance as to what parents of 17 1/2-year-olds are thinking when they lie in bed wide awake at 2 a.m.

Parentlng teenagers will flat wear you out, even with "good kids" that usually make pretty smart decisions but sometimes wind up with some pretty dubious friends. After 4-5-6 years of this, you'd better believe that parents want to feel that they're sending their kids to an environment that will support them, inspire them, set good examples, and kick their asses when they need it.

Both my daughters were recruited by college coaches, and I paid a hell of a lot more attention to what I could guess about the coaching staff's character and motivations and general attitudes about the world than I did to the school's win/loss record. I'm pretty disgusted by parents who only think about whether a school will get their kid into the pros, without considering whether their kid will be a semi-normal and successful human being foremost. (It's hard to succeed in the pros if you are a druggie or drunk or just a complete flake when you leave school.)

So if parents think that their sons and daughters need to have a coach who will inspire them in all parts of their lives, not just on the field or on the court, and that the chances of this happening are better with a coach of the same race or cultural background or gender, IMO that's not racism or any other -ism. That's them trying to do their best as parents, even though they might actually be wrong. (You don't figure out "wrong" in parenting until your death bed, and possibly not then. It's endless second-guessing.) And at the same time, in addition to having a coach that looks like him/ her, there need to be coaches that look different, because that's what the big world is like: lots of people from different backgrounds and different accents and different beliefs and attitudes, and we all need to learn how to kind of jostle along and adapt and even appreciate what's different and what's the same.

I wouldn't have wanted my kids to play for an all-white staff, an all-black staff, an all-male staff, an all-female staff, or an all-ukulele-playing staff for this reason.

In the end, I wanted them to be strong young adults with an appreciation for all sorts of different people while being able to value their own individuality.

10NCVol88 said:
Black kids being more comfortable with black coaches isnt racist nor is white coaches being more comfortable with white coaches. That is a product of nurture. You are more comfortable with the group of people you are raised around...
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Which is EXACTLY why it's so important to raise our kids in diverse settings! School, sports, neighborhoods, Boy Scouts/ Girl Scouts, church (Dr. King said, "At 11:00 on Sunday morning when we stand and sing 'in Christ there is no east or west', we stand at the most segregated hour in this nation. This is tragic."), you name it. It is human nature to respond more positively to those who are familiar. Even babies are drawn to those with the same skin color and hair texture as those who look like their parents and caretakers.

For most of us, we have to consciously and deliberately broaden our circles of friends and acquaintances, because THAT'S what lets us find out what's cool and interesting about our fellow human beings.

I know, I know, TL;DR. :)
 
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Saban would never get black players without black assistants. Winners get players.
 
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It isn't racist to expect a workplace to look like our society, instead of the White segment of our society. The latter is not necessarily wrong, but it does give the appearance of being wrong, especially when there are so many Black athletes in sports.

I doubt that Coach Butch is blind or indifferent to the need for racial diversity.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I went to the Bleacher Report to see the racial makeup of the top recruiters in the country in order to see if the race of the recruiter was actually important, or whether it was the product that they had to sell.

They named a top 10 with a tie, so there are eleven listed. Eight are white. Three are black, FWIW. From this ranking, I don't believe that it is a big deal to most recruits.
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And if thats the case then thats great.
 
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Vol Main said:
It isn't racist to expect a workplace to look like our society, instead of the White segment of our society. The latter is not necessarily wrong, but it does give the appearance of being wrong, especially when there are so many Black athletes in sports.

I doubt that Coach Butch is blind or indifferent to the need for racial diversity.
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So it's ok for the majority of athletes to be black? Should we recruit more white kids simply to be more diverse as a team or recruit the best? Should hiring practices be different? Racism is, has, & will always be around but it's not going on here though. Affirmative action & all the bs about having to interview black coaches etc in all walks of life is racist in its own regard.
 
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VolNExile said:
It has been stated repeatedly by lots of the big corporations in the Knoxville area that it's hard to recruit African-Americans to the area, because it's predominantly white. Same thing is true for UT trying to increase the number of black students.

Not everyone wants to be one of the relatively few minority members around. (I spent my teenaged years as a white in a predominantly Asian culture, and so I sort of know what this is like, but without the tons of painful history that magnify this for many American blacks.)

Good coaching is more than teaching X's and O's. There's mentoring and role modeling going on as well, when it's done right, and that often works best when it comes from someone with some similarities in background. Not an automatic requirement, by any means, but it can help. I don't think there's anything odd or negative about thinking that it's an advantage to have another black coach on staff.

And I do remember all the posts here on VN when CJG was rehired that said (among other things) how great it was that we had a great African-American coach on staff.

IMO JMO TIFWIW YMMV BBQ TGIF ETC. :hi:
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I don't trust corporations to begin with, too many lies over too many years. However, it may be hard to recruit African-Americans to Knoxville due to local attitude. I am a friend attended the Cincinnati-Tennessee game. Prior to the game, we went into a hotel (Hilton?), it was the one that is very close to the free game day parking garage next to Marketplace. Just killing time and planned to buy some Starbucks coffee. The woman manning the coffee counter looked at my friend in a rather hostile manner. He mentioned it, I looked and caught it. She approach an elderly security guy and pointed at us. He came over and asked my friend to leave, said nothing to me. My friend was followed around in the few stores we visited in Knoxville that day too. But he's cool. He started picking up stuff he was buying and asking the followers to hold it for him. Hilarious. One actually did and kept following us. Now, on a positive note, he really likes Pete's where we eat breakfast when we hit Knoxville on game days. They don't behave the way some folks around Knoxville do. He loves going to games but mentions how he doesn't feel really welcome in town. Doesn't make a big fuss about it, just mentioned it about twice all told I think. So maybe corporations have a problem due to the atmosphere of Knoxville. I really don't know as I don't live there but I wonder.
 
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Vol Main said:
It isn't racist to expect a workplace to look like our society, instead of the White segment of our society. The latter is not necessarily wrong, but it does give the appearance of being wrong, especially when there are so many Black athletes in sports.

I doubt that Coach Butch is blind or indifferent to the need for racial diversity.
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I looked up the racial makeup of the U.S. and this should be an easy fix for U.T. in order to "look like our society," at least as far as the team goes. It gets a little dicey when you get to the coaching staff.

Since we have about 100 players, the team makeup should be 72 whites, 13 blacks, 5 Asians, 1 American Indian, 6 of "other races" and 3 of a mix of 2 or more races.

When we get to the coaching staff, we need to do some rounding off since there are only 10 coaches. We need 7 whites, 1 black, 1 other, and the last guy needs to be part American Indian, part Asian, mixed with a couple of other races. Now, we look like our society. If needed, we can break down the Hispanics into white and non-white.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I looked up the racial makeup of the U.S. and this should be an easy fix for U.T. in order to "look like our society," at least as far as the team goes. It gets a little dicey when you get to the coaching staff.

Since we have about 100 players, the team makeup should be 72 whites, 13 blacks, 5 Asians, 1 American Indian, 6 of "other races" and 3 of a mix of 2 or more races.

When we get to the coaching staff, we need to do some rounding off since there are only 10 coaches. We need 7 whites, 1 black, 1 other, and the last guy needs to be part American Indian, part Asian, mixed with a couple of other races. Now, we look like our society. If needed, we can break down the Hispanics into white and non-white.
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Well, you know what they say. There's three kinds of lies. Lies, damn lies, and then there's statistics.
 
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the head coaching job was 1st offered to strong... it didn't work out.

CBJ should hire the best person for the job; with recruting being a very importnat pre-req. It would be perfect if that it is a Black guy and it works out... we'll see
 
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govols/cc said:
So you're saying there's more blacks & other minorities in the US?
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The Hispanics are represented as Hispanic Whites, included in the white category, and as other races. I forgot that in order to "look like society," half of the players and coaches have to be female.

If the sexual preference people get involved, we will need about 3 gay players, but the coaching staff does not get one, only someone who might be bi-curious.

If Manti Teo doesn't make it in the NFL, we could surely use him for a mixed race position with same sex tendencies.
 
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govols/cc said:
So you're saying there's more blacks & other minorities in the US?
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I think what he's saying is that dude's stats are irrelevant. Whites are a majority in America, but they are the minority in football. Why would he not post the stats regarding football? Because they clearly wouldn't fit his agenda.
 
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RichRollin said:
I think what he's saying is that dude's stats are irrelevant. Whites are a majority in America, but they are the minority in football. Why would he not post the stats regarding football? Because they clearly wouldn't fit his agenda.
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You misunderstood my post completely once again. My "agenda" is to illustrate the absurdity of quotas. I believe that the best players should play, and the best coaches should coach. If there are 100 American Indians playing, and 3 Mexicans, 5 blacks, and 2 Asians coaching, and they are the best, I am fine with it.

I illustrate absurdity by being absurd. Please don't jump to conclusions. If you need clarification, please feel free to ask. Thank you.
 
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RichRollin said:
I think what he's saying is that dude's stats are irrelevant. Whites are a majority in America, but they are the minority in football. Why would he not post the stats regarding football? Because they clearly wouldn't fit his agenda.
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There are 2 reasons that I don't post stats regarding football.

1) I don't know.
1( I don't care.

I have never advocated for quotas in football, or anywhere else. `
 
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smokey0625 said:
Don't think many people are afraid to hire black people. This isn't the 60s grandpa so if you can catch up to the late 90s you would understand that black people are being hired, brother. You do know we have a black president right? Coach Jones hired the staff he knew. There are fewer blacks than whites in coaching. Want proof, check the NFL for your black coaches. There is just fewer in number. Btw, James Franklin says hi.

Also, give Vandy credit for not only hiring a black head coach but a gay one at that. Two for one package.
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You qouted my post as though you were responding to it, then rambled on with some incoherent thoughts that had absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. Is it possible for you to address the issue of diversity as spelled out in the post you chose to quote?
 
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Dr Dread said:
You qouted my post as though you were responding to it, then rambled on with some incoherent thoughts that had absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. Is it possible for you to address the issue of diversity as spelled out in the post you chose to quote?
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Hahahahah, yeah you're right buddy. Pass the bong.
 
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Vol Main said:
It isn't racist to expect a workplace to look like our society, instead of the White segment of our society. The latter is not necessarily wrong, but it does give the appearance of being wrong, especially when there are so many Black athletes in sports.

I doubt that Coach Butch is blind or indifferent to the need for racial diversity.
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Last time I checked, racial diversity doesn't exactly happen on the field. You play the best

Same goes with jobs. You should hire the best. When you fall into the trap that you have to hire a particular race for statistical purposes, you may pass on a more qualified person. That's referred to as reverse discrimination.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Last time I checked, racial diversity doesn't exactly happen on the field. You play the best

Same goes with jobs. You should hire the best. When you fall into the trap that you have to hire a particular race for statistical purposes, you may pass on a more qualified person. That's referred to as reverse discrimination.
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Where you been living the last 200 years?
 
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CountVolcula said:
Last time I checked, racial diversity doesn't exactly happen on the field. You play the best

Same goes with jobs. You should hire the best. When you fall into the trap that you have to hire a particular race for statistical purposes, you may pass on a more qualified person. That's referred to as reverse discrimination.
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Please tell me I'm on my way there now...
 
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