Tennessee has only one black assistant coach?!

[BaldBiker]

I am a person of Scots-Irish descent, and a descendent of English bond servants. My ancestors were slaves. The term cracker was used as a derogatory term to describe them 250 years ago. I haven't forgotten that fact, and neither has Hopvol. Am I offended? Depends on the context and the person saying it.

A good majority of the people living in the south can claim the same ancestry. Myself included. The term cracker used 250 years ago in regards to our ancestors in Europe pretty much came to an end when our ancestors came to this country. The same cannot be said for a word that is still used today, and holds the same meaning now, as it did hundreds of years ago.

 

[BaldBiker]

I agree with first two paragraphs. The third we just disagree, no big deal. :hi:

You are right my friend. It is no big deal. We have the right to disagree. Thanks for keeping it civil too. We could have let it get ugly. :hi:

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Not sure why there's so much outrage that our next rb will likely (rightly) be a minority. Demographics aren't the most important thing in a coaching staff, but they're important.

Plus, how many white rb coaches do you know of anyway?

 

[SaluteToTheHill]

The history of the word cracker and history of the n word in this country aren't debatable topics.

Now, if you want to turn this present day race lesson into a line of smartass comments and jabs, feel free. That's where posters go when they are getting their asses handed to them in a discussion.

I think you took it there when you said I "struggle with the topic and the history". Notice that BaldBiker was respectful and received a respectful response.

 

[BandVOL]

Nope but why do you care would it make a difference in telling the truth? We are white. I must have missed the line where white people and black women were standing in line in droves looking for biracial kids that had been in the system over 6 years. Before it took us 3 years to adopt them.

Why does my race have to do with reality of our team makeup and our team's recruits?

Don't be so naive as to think we are not losing good or even great recruits when they look at our coaching staff not to mention our recent history

This is one small thing we can control and do better.

So just to clarify... you are a black man with a white wife?

 

[BaldBiker]

Nope but why do you care would it make a difference in telling the truth? We are white. I must have missed the line where white people and black women were standing in line in droves looking for biracial kids that had been in the system over 6 years. Before it took us 3 years to adopt them.

Why does my race have to do with reality of our team makeup and our team's recruits?

Don't be so naive as to think we are not losing good or even great recruits when they look at our coaching staff not to mention our recent history

This is one small thing we can control and do better.

I would say our recent history and recent coaches (DD) neglegance in recruiting this last year has more to do with it than anything. I do however agree with the last statement. If it adds a comfort level that we are missing with recruits. Why not.

 

[Spartacavolus]

I think you took it there when you said I "struggle with the topic and the history". Notice that BaldBiker was respectful and received a respectful response.

Well, you don't understand and don't like double standards, and you correlate the n-word to cracka being derogatory in the late 1700's. That to me means that you struggle with the topic. Many people do. Race is a difficult topic.

 

[1972 Grad]

I am also Scottish Irish and I could care less what term was used 250 years ago. I also grew up playing basketball in the hickory hill area of Memphis and was called a cracker daily. Sometimes meant as demeaning. Sometimes in a friendly way with high fives. I just don't care.
That you really care about it because an ancestor in Scotland in 1775 was called a cracker has to be a joke.

It is. I was faking outrage. I believe in freedom of speech. What a person actually does means way more than what he says. Sticks and stones......

 

[BandVOL]

I never fully appreciated how tough the conversation about race is and has been until these children came into my life.it's like someone handed me a new pair of glasses.

 

[10NCVol88]

Nope but why do you care would it make a difference in telling the truth? We are white. I must have missed the line where white people and black women were standing in line in droves looking for biracial kids that had been in the system over 6 years. Before it took us 3 years to adopt them.

Why does my race have to do with reality of our team makeup and our team's recruits?

Don't be so naive as to think we are not losing good or even great recruits when they look at our coaching staff not to mention our recent history

This is one small thing we can control and do better.

First I will commend you for adopting children. There should be more people like you in the world. Second I will inform you that no race percentage wise is lining up by droves to adopt children. I don't really understand your point in mentioning white people and black women specifically.

Third, interesting fact, did you know black people have a hard time adopting white kids. However it is easy for a white family to adopt a black child. I only know this because I have a relative that works in the system.

Last, Why you thought you wouldn't get any funny looks by having biracial kids when you are a white couple is beyond me. Racism exist and people make assumptions all the time. Right or wrong its the America we live in. :twocents:

 

[ETNVol]

I would say our recent history and recent coaches (DD) neglegance in recruiting this last year has more to do with it than anything. I do however agree with the last statement. If it adds a comfort level that we are missing with recruits. Why not.

So black recruits are racist? They're more comfortable with coaches of the same race?

The prevailing sentiment in America - not just this board - seems to be that it's perfectly acceptable for blacks to be racist, just no one else.

 

[BaldBiker]

I never fully appreciated how tough the conversation about race is and has been until these children came into my life.it's like someone handed me a new pair of glasses.

There is really no winner in this topic of conversation. Unfortunately it is likely a topic that will still be around for a long time. Human nature is probably the hardest thing on earth to change.

 

[BandVOL]

[The comedian Wanda Sykes discusses her marriage to a white woman and her experiences with the toughest group of people who don't understand it as black women.Her comment was that black women think that white women are taking all the good black gay women. She calls her wife French because it is easier than saying white...cracks me up.


I mentioned in my post earlier is that we have the hardest time with people making nasty comments from black women and white people. Unfortunately the reality of this adoption is that we had to prove Many times we could and would handle the racial situation.

I had no idea it was harder for a black couple to adopt white kids but I maybe wrong but if you look at statistics on race and disabilities on the number of kids available, you would find a Huge need for biracial and black parents

Just because I now understand that I wish to live in a color blind world.....it's a delusion





QUOTE=10NCVol88;8350511]First I will commend you for adopting children. There should be more people like you in the world. Second I will inform you that no race percentage wise is lining up by droves to adopt children. I don't really understand your point in mentioning white people and black women specifically.

Third, interesting fact, did you know black people have a hard time adopting white kids. However it is easy for a white family to adopt a black child. I only know this because I have a relative that works in the system.

Last, Why you thought you wouldn't get any funny looks by having biracial kids when you are a white couple is beyond me. Racism exist and people make assumptions all the time. Right or wrong its the America we live in. :twocents:[/QUOTE]

 

[SaluteToTheHill]

Well, you don't understand and don't like double standards, and you correlate the n-word to cracka being derogatory in the late 1700's. That to me means that you struggle with the topic. Many people do. Race is a difficult topic.

I understand that you support double standards. If that's how you want to live that's cool. I also understand that I mentioned the the origins of the two words because you brought up "history". Remember? I don't think race is a difficult subject to understand at all. It does conjure up difficult emotions for some.

 

[BaldBiker]

So black recruits are racist? They're more comfortable with coaches of the same race?

The prevailing sentiment in America - not just this board - seems to be that it's perfectly acceptable for blacks to be racist, just no one else.

Huh? I'm not even going to bother with you. Look up racist in the dictionary. Look up comfort in the dictionary. Read the two. Compare the two. Form your own opinion. Then STFU and GTFO!

 

[SaluteToTheHill]

I never fully appreciated how tough the conversation about race is and has been until these children came into my life.it's like someone handed me a new pair of glasses.

Are you saying you are surprised to get looks? Do you think a black couple with white kids wouldn't get looks?

 

[SaluteToTheHill]

The prevailing sentiment in America - not just this board - seems to be that it's perfectly acceptable for blacks to be racist, just no one else.

I absolutely agree with this.

 

[Spartacavolus]

I understand that you support double standards. If that's how you want to live that's cool. I also understand that I mentioned the the origins of the two words because you brought up "history". Remember? I don't think race is a difficult subject to understand at all. It does conjure up difficult emotions for some.

I wouldn't overestimate your own understanding, if you think cracker holds the same meaning as n*****.

 

[1972 Grad]

I can tell you that as a businessman I have hired and have kept people on that I was not necessarily comfortable with or even really liked as a person. I kept them because they were good at what they did. As the boss, I learned to deal with them (sometimes even flat out put up with) because, from the business standpoint, they were good. It isn't always about the guys on the bottom having to deal with things. A good leader knows how to adjust their feelings accordingly.

I was not arguing whether Jones should or should not hire white coaches. I was giving a hypothetical based on a logical extension of someone else's line of thought. Those are two totally different animals.

I also do not think that the skin color of coaches should matter to recruits or their parents, however I am smart enough to realize that it does, and the University has to respond accordingly. They must and are forced by the marketplace to placate the whims of teenagers.

 

[SaluteToTheHill]

I wouldn't overestimate your own understanding, if you think cracker holds the same meaning as n*****.

That's because you cant separate the meanings of the words from the emotions they raise. Its ok, alot of people cant.

 

[1972 Grad]

I wouldn't overestimate your own understanding, if you think cracker holds the same meaning as n*****.

A derogatory term is a derogatory term. If that is the best that they can come up with, then the real meaning is the same.

 

[govols/cc]

Every other member of the SEC has four or more black coaches and we're down to one.
Butch has the good 'ole boy network going. I'd say there's a 99.9 percent chance the new running backs coach is black and should be for multiple reasons all of which are legit.

How many black players we have?

 

[10NCVol88]

So black recruits are racist? They're more comfortable with coaches of the same race?

The prevailing sentiment in America - not just this board - seems to be that it's perfectly acceptable for blacks to be racist, just no one else.

Black kids being more comfortable with black coaches isnt racist nor is white coaches being more comfortable with white coaches. That is a product of nurture. You are more comfortable with the group of people you are raised around.

The difference between white on black racism and black on white racism: one stems from the hatred of the color of skin while the other stems from hatred because of what was done by a race because of the color of their skin.

This is the main reason you get the feeling that it is more acceptable for black people to be racist against whites. Some would argue that they have every reason to be. Whereas whites being racist against blacks stems from color issues.

Doesnt make either right. The white guy who uses the n word is the same as the black guy who uses cracka to me.

 

[Spartacavolus]

That's because you cant separate the meanings of the words from the emotions they raise. Its ok, alot of people cant.

That's right. I can't separate the nature of the n-word from its emotional meaning in this country.

And I definately can't explain it to someone who is mad that a cousin in Scotland in 1775 was called a cracker, and thinks it's the same thing.

 

[Cpatter4]

Here is my point. He said that I "called someone stupid." I actually said that they were stupid and shallow "IF what he said was true," about black recruits choosing a school based on the skin color of their recruiter.

and again :glare:. Its not a matter of them being stupid. It just is. Why do you think recruiting is a relationship business. Coaches have to be able to make a connection and prospects have to be able to relate to you in order for that to happen. Not every recruit comes from the same background or has the same family dynamics or didn't go to the same type of school. So each recruit must be approached differently, however that may be. Some recruiters are able to make that connection better than others and before a receruit can get to know Tennessee, they first have to connect with the recruiter. If that wasnt the case then you wouldn't have recruits commiting to other schools when the coach that recruited them gets fired or leaves.