Tennessee has only one black assistant coach?!

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In our home making choices about education, church, sports and many other decisions have to do with the racial makeup and I can tell you this is not the whim of a teenager
We want places where both races are presented with role models from both races. we play football, basketball, soccer and ballet
Now that is diversity

Did we expect not to get looks from our family? Of course we did but we did not expect the venom from people that have never met us. There have been numerous vulgar sayings in front of my children

We went to dinner Saturday night and one of the guest was making outright racial jokes every 5 minutes. We walked out , paid for our meal and apologized to the host who went at great lengths to apologize the next day.Just goes to show you can't fix stupid

Recruits to UT are no different than anyone else in society
They want to feel accepted and understood. Race should not matter..... But it does
That is the reality





QUOTE=1972 Grad;8350636]I was not arguing whether Jones should or should not hire white coaches. I was giving a hypothetical based on a logical extension of someone else's line of thought. Those are two totally different animals.

I also do not think that the skin color of coaches should matter to recruits or their parents, however I am smart enough to realize that it does, and the University has to respond accordingly. They must and are forced by the marketplace to placate the whims of teenagers.[/QUOTE]
 
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1972 Grad said:
A derogatory term is a derogatory term. If that is the best that they can come up with, then the real meaning is the same.
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so you also think both terms hold the same water as well.

I believe you may need to have more deep conversations with your neighbor. Or anyone for that matter.
 
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BandVOL said:
In our home making choices about education, church, sports and many other decisions have to do with the racial makeup and I can tell you this is not the whim of a teenager
We want places where both races are presented with role models from both races. we play football, basketball, soccer and ballet
Now that is diversity

Did we expect not to get looks from our family? Of course we did but we did not expect the venom from people that have never met us. There have been numerous vulgar sayings in front of my children

We went to dinner Saturday night and one of the guest was making outright racial jokes every 5 minutes. We walked out , paid for our meal and apologized to the host who went at great lengths to apologize the next day.Just goes to show you can't fix stupid

Recruits to UT are no different than anyone else in society
They want to feel accepted and understood. Race should not matter..... But it does
That is the reality





QUOTE=1972 Grad;8350636]I was not arguing whether Jones should or should not hire white coaches. I was giving a hypothetical based on a logical extension of someone else's line of thought. Those are two totally different animals.

I also do not think that the skin color of coaches should matter to recruits or their parents, however I am smart enough to realize that it does, and the University has to respond accordingly. They must and are forced by the marketplace to placate the whims of teenagers.
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One quit & another turned a job down. Who's fault is that? Maybe black coaches care more about money & cush jobs.
 
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Hopvol said:
I absolutely agree with this.
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I actually happen to agree with that statement too. Just not exactly sure where it fit into what I said. There is a big difference in being racist and being more comfortable with.

While I have lived in both the country and in cities. I am a country boy at heart and therefore am more comfortable around people in the country. If I had grown up in an area that was 90% white (which I didn't), I may not be racist, but still may be more comfortable around white people. Could be the same thing for these young men. If they grew up in a predominately black area, it would be only natural for them to be more comfortable around black people.

People often misconscrue the two and there really is a big difference.
 
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OMG like ther are just SOOOO many black coaches versus the number of players in the NFL that are black while the majority of coaches are white


You are stupid



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One quit & another turned a job down. Who's fault is that? Maybe black coaches care more about money & cush jobs.[/QUOTE]
 
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Spartacavolus said:
That's right. I can't separate the nature of the n-word from its emotional meaning in this country.
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Well, we agree on something.

Spartacavolus said:
And I definately can't explain it to someone who is mad that a cousin in Scotland in 1775 was called a cracker, and thinks it's the same thing.
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I am not of Scottish decent, that was 1972Grad. Sorry this thread has you so confused.
 
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BandVOL said:
In our home making choices about education, church, sports and many other decisions have to do with the racial makeup and I can tell you this is not the whim of a teenager
We want places where both races are presented with role models from both races. we play football, basketball, soccer and ballet
Now that is diversity

Did we expect not to get looks from our family? Of course we did but we did not expect the venom from people that have never met us. There have been numerous vulgar sayings in front of my children

We went to dinner Saturday night and one of the guest was making outright racial jokes every 5 minutes. We walked out , paid for our meal and apologized to the host who went at great lengths to apologize the next day.Just goes to show you can't fix stupid

Recruits to UT are no different than anyone else in society
They want to feel accepted and understood. Race should not matter..... But it does
That is the reality





QUOTE=1972 Grad;8350636]I was not arguing whether Jones should or should not hire white coaches. I was giving a hypothetical based on a logical extension of someone else's line of thought. Those are two totally different animals.

I also do not think that the skin color of coaches should matter to recruits or their parents, however I am smart enough to realize that it does, and the University has to respond accordingly. They must and are forced by the marketplace to placate the whims of teenagers.
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[/QUOTE]As far as your first paragraph goes, you sound like a caring, involved parent. Not every kid has that luxury and guidance. Your kids are fortunate to have you in their lives.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I was not arguing whether Jones should or should not hire white coaches. I was giving a hypothetical based on a logical extension of someone else's line of thought. Those are two totally different animals.

I also do not think that the skin color of coaches should matter to recruits or their parents, however I am smart enough to realize that it does, and the University has to respond accordingly. They must and are forced by the marketplace to placate the whims of teenagers.
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Good points. I can also agree with the bolded in that it SHOULD NOT matter. The fact is, sometimes it does. But to me it does not make it racial (although there are probaly examples of where it is), it is what you are comfortable with. Is it placating them? Probably. But, if you want these young men to play football for your school, sometimes you do what you have to do.

My personal opinion is, short of cheating to do it. I want UT to win football games. If it means placating these young men to do it. Ok.
 
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It's not about the color of the skin. It's just reality that some white people can just relate to other white people better just like some black people can relate to other black people better. It's not a matter of skin color. If you are white and a black recruit can relate to you then thats great. But if a black recruit HAPPENS to relate better to a particular black recruiter then its becomes about skin color. EVERY ethnicity have unique and special characteristics about them that makes them who they are and there is nothing wrong with that. And its those unique and special characteristics that allows certain recruits to relate better to certain recruiters. Of course there are never absolutes and there are always exceptions, but some of the time this is the case.
 
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BaldBiker said:
Good points. I can also agree with the bolded in that it SHOULD NOT matter. The fact is, sometimes it does. But to me it does not make it racial (although there are probaly examples of where it is), it is what you are comfortable with. Is it placating them? Probably. But, if you want these young men to play football for your school, sometimes you do what you have to do.

My personal opinion is, short of cheating to do it. I want UT to win football games. If it means placating these young men to do it. Ok.
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I believe that a recruit should commit to an institution, not a man. Since most recruiters lie through their teeth to the young men, I would like to know one thing. Is it really preferable for a young black recruit to have smoke blown up his rear by a black man than a white man?
 
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Hopvol said:
Well, we agree on something.



I am not of Scottish decent, that was 1972Grad. Sorry this thread has you so confused.
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I know this much. You don't like that you can be called a cracker, but you can't call someone a n*****. You don't like that double standard because they mean the same in your eyes. You don't like that a black kid would want to play for a black coach, without being called a racist, because if you were white and did the same, you would be called one.

Tough ****, and nice racial stance. "The black man can say this, but I can't say that". Ridiculous, childish stance.
I'm not confused at all. Got you pegged pretty easily.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I believe that a recruit should commit to an institution, not a man. Since most recruiters lie through their teeth to the young men, I would like to know one thing. Is it really preferable for a young black recruit to have smoke blown up his rear by a black man than a white man?
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To answer your question...yes. Only when the black recruiter can blow it the way the recruit wants to hear it or CAN hear it.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I know this much. You don't like that you can be called a cracker, but you can't call someone a n*****. You don't like that double standard because they mean the same in your eyes. You don't like that a black kid would want to play for a black coach, without being called a racist, because if you were white and did the same, you would be called one.

Tough ****, and nice racial stance. "The black man can say this, but I can't say that". Ridiculous, childish stance.
I'm not confused at all. Got you pegged pretty easily.
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If you go to intent, the meanings of the two words are similar. The intent is generally to be derogatory. If not, then I assume they are a sign of affection, if delivered along with a high five.
 
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VolNExile said:
It has been stated repeatedly by lots of the big corporations in the Knoxville area that it's hard to recruit African-Americans to the area, because it's predominantly white. Same thing is true for UT trying to increase the number of black students.

Not everyone wants to be one of the relatively few minority members around. (I spent my teenaged years as a white in a predominantly Asian culture, and so I sort of know what this is like, but without the tons of painful history that magnify this for many American blacks.)

Good coaching is more than teaching X's and O's. There's mentoring and role modeling going on as well, when it's done right, and that often works best when it comes from someone with some similarities in background. Not an automatic requirement, by any means, but it can help. I don't think there's anything odd or negative about thinking that it's an advantage to have another black coach on staff.

And I do remember all the posts here on VN when CJG was rehired that said (among other things) how great it was that we had a great African-American coach on staff.

IMO JMO TIFWIW YMMV BBQ TGIF ETC. :hi:
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Great post.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I know this much. You don't like that you can be called a cracker, but you can't call someone a n*****. You don't like that double standard because they mean the same in your eyes. You don't like that a black kid would want to play for a black coach, without being called a racist, because if you were white and did the same, you would be called one.

Tough ****, and nice racial stance. "The black man can say this, but I can't say that". Ridiculous, childish stance.
I'm not confused at all. Got you pegged pretty easily.
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I really don't want to call anyone by a derogatory name, just pointing out the double standard. The two words are both derogatory terms meant to demean the other race. Apparently you are also still confusing race with comfort level or personal preference like the first question you asked me about women. A black player can prefer to play for a black coach without being racist, maybe he just clicks with that guy. I have argued the double standards with the two terms that you are apparently ok with not whether or not we need more black coaches are who wants to play for who. I dont care if the entire staff is one or the other as long as they win.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
post the wrong word on this site and it has nothing to do with what you make of it. It has all to do with what Freak and associates make of it.

Your theory is debunked with ease.
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Then it depends on what "Freak and associates" make of it? Like I said, a word is what you (meaning anyone) makes of it.
 
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Cpatter4 said:
To answer your question...yes. Only when the black recruiter can blow it the way the recruit wants to hear it or CAN hear it.
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I went to the Bleacher Report to see the racial makeup of the top recruiters in the country in order to see if the race of the recruiter was actually important, or whether it was the product that they had to sell.

They named a top 10 with a tie, so there are eleven listed. Eight are white. Three are black, FWIW. From this ranking, I don't believe that it is a big deal to most recruits.
 
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I don't believe in diversity for diversity's sake. I want any person who is going to help us win and I don't care if he's martian.
 
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