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It is too bad that the NCAAs seedings seem to put so much stock in pre-conference games. Other than 3 notable exceptions, we have been playing well in conference. The same statement could be made about LSU. Both teams seem to be peaking at the right time. It may surprise you that the LVs vs LSU are not that different when you compare similar game and location (same team and same home-away status). When you look at these, LSU has the advantage in scoring margin in 5 games and UT has the advantage in 4 games.
GAME UT LSU
@Auburn 8 -5
Florida 7 40
@TAM -15 23
@MSU 11 -4
@Ole Miss -5 11
Mizzou 21 20
Arkansas 26 31
SC -11 -5
@Vandy 25 23

I guess it goes to show you that you can never compare teams based on one common foe. Some of these comparisons make LSU look like a huge favorite and some make UT look like a huge favorite. Other games make the teams seem fairly even. Not bad considering that the Lady Vols are often viewed as having a terrible year and LSU as a Final 4 favorite. Also, our game with them is at home and it looks like they have already sold more tickets to this one compared to any other games. Should be interesting. (so much for my columns margins once posted)
 
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Here is where I don't understand the NET, unless point spreads really are a main component. Duke and UT are both 16 and 9. UT this morning is 38, Duke is 22. UT SOS is 4, Duke is 8. UT Q1 record is 4 and 9 and has zero losses in Q2 or worse. Duke Q1 record is 3 and 7 and has 1 Q2 loss and 1 Q3 loss. UT is 9 and 9 when adding both Q1 and Q2 games. Duke is 10 and 8. No reason those 2 profiles should be 16 spots different. I would assume Duke plays teams closer is the only reason why they are so much higher than UT. I don't believe they are any better and should be on the same seed line as us give or take 1 seed line.
 
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VolBalls33 said:
Here is where I don't understand the NET, unless point spreads really are a main component. Duke and UT are both 16 and 9. UT this morning is 38, Duke is 22. UT SOS is 4, Duke is 8. UT Q1 record is 4 and 9 and has zero losses in Q2 or worse. Duke Q1 record is 3 and 7 and has 1 Q2 loss and 1 Q3 loss. UT is 9 and 9 when adding both Q1 and Q2 games. Duke is 10 and 8. No reason those 2 profiles should be 16 spots different. I would assume Duke plays teams closer is the only reason why they are so much higher than UT. I don't believe they are any better and should be on the same seed line as us give or take 1 seed line.
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I dont care for the NET. Metrics as a whole are gameable once you understand how they work, but man does it feel like you get punished for a tough schedule and developing your bench players. Maybe I’m wrong and NET rocks though? 🤷🏼‍♀️
 
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LV renaissance said:
It is too bad that the NCAAs seedings seem to put so much stock in pre-conference games. Other than 3 notable exceptions, we have been playing well in conference. The same statement could be made about LSU. Both teams seem to be peaking at the right time. It may surprise you that the LVs vs LSU are not that different when you compare similar game and location (same team and same home-away status). When you look at these, LSU has the advantage in scoring margin in 5 games and UT has the advantage in 4 games.
GAME UT LSU
@Auburn 8 -5
Florida 7 40
@TAM -15 23
@MSU 11 -4
@Ole Miss -5 11
Mizzou 21 20
Arkansas 26 31
SC -11 -5
@Vandy 25 23

I guess it goes to show you that you can never compare teams based on one common for. Some of these comparisons make LSU look like a huge favorite and some make UT look like a huge favorite. Other games make the teams seem fairly even. Not bad consider Lady Vols are often viewed as having a terrible year and LSU as a Final 4 favorite. Also, our game with them is at home and it looks like they have already sold more tickets to this one compared to any other games. Should be interesting. (so much for my columns once posted)
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The two that stand out are the aTm and UF games, otherwise results are similar.
 
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Charlie this morning has Duke as an 8 seed and UT as a 10 seed. UT and Duke have tough games to end the season. Both will have a top 5 SOS to end the season. I will love to play them in an 8 9 seed game(granted UT can't try and snag a 7 seed). Also Marquette as an 8 seed makes me see red. SOS in the 80's and were swept by Villanova and UCONN(both by 26+), and haven't beat a top four team in their conference at 0 and 6 with losses to Creighton and St John's. Finishing 5th in the Big East doesn't warrant an 8 seed.
 
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VolBalls33 said:
Charlie this morning has Duke as an 8 seed and UT as a 10 seed. UT and Duke have tough games to end the season. Both will have a top 5 SOS to end the season. I will love to play them in an 8 9 seed game(granted UT can't try and snag a 7 seed). Also Marquette as an 8 seed makes me see red. SOS in the 80's and were swept by Villanova and UCONN(both by 26+), and haven't beat a top four team in their conference at 0 and 6 with losses to Creighton and St John's. Finishing 5th in the Big East doesn't warrant an 8 seed.
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Women's Bracketology: Irish climb to 1-seed ahead of clash with UConn

No decision was tougher this week than determining the final 1-seed. But no team has two bigger wins than the Irish have on their rsum.
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Last year he had us as a six and we ended up a four so hopefully he is off a little again. At least were in the main bracket.
 
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VolBalls33 said:
Here is where I don't understand the NET, unless point spreads really are a main component. Duke and UT are both 16 and 9. UT this morning is 38, Duke is 22. UT SOS is 4, Duke is 8. UT Q1 record is 4 and 9 and has zero losses in Q2 or worse. Duke Q1 record is 3 and 7 and has 1 Q2 loss and 1 Q3 loss. UT is 9 and 9 when adding both Q1 and Q2 games. Duke is 10 and 8. No reason those 2 profiles should be 16 spots different. I would assume Duke plays teams closer is the only reason why they are so much higher than UT. I don't believe they are any better and should be on the same seed line as us give or take 1 seed line.
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What really is hurting us the most is playing a strong non conference schedule and not winning. We were 7 and 8 in non conference. Duke played a bunch of directional schools and went 8 and 2 losing to the only two good teams they played. This is also the situation with Miss St and Ole Miss playing a bunch of easy teams winning by 30 or more and it makes them rise in the NET. If Coach Kellie would drop to that schedule and play two three more easy teams instead of Ohio State, Indiana, etc. then we'd probably be way up the ranking. I think were at least a 8 to 9 seed now and will surely be if we can beat LSU and A&M.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
www.espn.com

Women's Bracketology: Irish climb to 1-seed ahead of clash with UConn

No decision was tougher this week than determining the final 1-seed. But no team has two bigger wins than the Irish have on their rsum.
www.espn.com

Last year he had us as a six and we ended up a four so hopefully he is off a little again. At least were in the main bracket.
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Yes the formula for us is Creme + 2 spots = real seed.

I don't think it's so much personal bias against the LVs, just total, mostly earned, distrust.

Speaking of that, the game Sunday is one more opportunity to actually take a step forward toward credibility. Came close last week, must get it done this time. Excited to hear of big advance ticket sales. Hard to overstate how badly KJH needs to win this game.

What a payoff that would be for a frequently painful season.
 
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glv98 said:
Yes the formula for us is Creme + 2 spots = real seed.

I don't think it's so much personal bias against the LVs, just total, mostly earned, distrust.

Speaking of that, the game Sunday is one more opportunity to actually take a step forward toward credibility. Came close last week, must get it done this time. Excited to hear of big advance ticket sales. Hard to overstate how badly KJH needs to win this game.

What a payoff that would be for a frequently painful season.
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Creme Puff is a huge UConn fan. It’s definitely a personal bias and has gone on for years. It doesn’t matter because nobody takes him seriously.

Just don’t understand why he has a platform at all.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
What really is hurting us the most is playing a strong non conference schedule and not winning. We were 7 and 8 in non conference. Duke played a bunch of directional schools and went 8 and 2 losing to the only two good teams they played. This is also the situation with Miss St and Ole Miss playing a bunch of easy teams winning by 30 or more and it makes them rise in the NET. If Coach Kellie would drop to that schedule and play two three more easy teams instead of Ohio State, Indiana, etc. then we'd probably be way up the ranking. I think were at least a 8 to 9 seed now and will surely be if we can beat LSU and A&M.
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They did play Stanford to overtime on the road.
 
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37620VOL said:
They did play Stanford to overtime on the road.
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True but their overall non conference schedule way below ours in quality. Second they are going to finish lower in their conference than we are. They are 10 and 8 in Q1 and 2 while were 9 and 9 so I do give them the slightest edge in seeding at this time. Still we shouldn't be a ten if they are an eight.
 
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VolBall09 said:
Creme Puff is a huge UConn fan. It’s definitely a personal bias and has gone on for years.
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Agree to disagree, I don't think we matter enough to him or most national figures for them to have a bias against us. It's more dismissiveness.

Could start to change that Sunday.

Are we sure net is going to be more important than SOS this year? Don't those things kind of shift around year to year?

Whatever bracket has us playing MTSU then Indiana would be a dream come true. Do over with Rickea? Yes please, even though I realize it would be on Indy's home floor.
 
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VolBalls33 said:
Here is where I don't understand the NET, unless point spreads really are a main component. Duke and UT are both 16 and 9. UT this morning is 38, Duke is 22. UT SOS is 4, Duke is 8. UT Q1 record is 4 and 9 and has zero losses in Q2 or worse. Duke Q1 record is 3 and 7 and has 1 Q2 loss and 1 Q3 loss. UT is 9 and 9 when adding both Q1 and Q2 games. Duke is 10 and 8. No reason those 2 profiles should be 16 spots different. I would assume Duke plays teams closer is the only reason why they are so much higher than UT. I don't believe they are any better and should be on the same seed line as us give or take 1 seed line.
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We don’t know who will be on what seed line until the official bracket is out.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
What really is hurting us the most is playing a strong non conference schedule and not winning. We were 7 and 8 in non conference. Duke played a bunch of directional schools and went 8 and 2 losing to the only two good teams they played. This is also the situation with Miss St and Ole Miss playing a bunch of easy teams winning by 30 or more and it makes them rise in the NET. If Coach Kellie would drop to that schedule and play two three more easy teams instead of Ohio State, Indiana, etc. then we'd probably be way up the ranking. I think we’re at least a 8 to 9 seed now and will surely be if we can beat LSU and A&M.
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If we beat A&M and Sc I can see us being a 7 seed.
 
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I’d rather be a 10/11 seed than an 8/9. If you’re an 8/9 you have to play a 1 seed on the road in the 2nd round, if you even win the toss up game against the other 8/9 in the first round.
 
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VolFuture said:


Mark has us as an 8 I really like his take on the bracket. Honestly I like how we matchup with UNC and Stanford. But hard games for sure. Tbh being a 10 seed may be better than a 8/9 seed it’s like being a 7
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Few other teams I would rather play, Kiki Iriafen is a problem, that’s one of the players I watch every game she plays.
 
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