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[glv98]

I've been finding it strange that so many coaches think it will not work against SEC teams. They may be right against more talented teams as talent always wins over any system a coach can run.

I think that's what coaches have been saying.

do find it amusing that so many coaches we play think were running some kind of new gimmick system that has never seen a basketball floor before.

I don't think that's what coaches have been saying at all. In fact that's what's pissing them off.

Lazy announcers and media do keep saying that though; they said Sat night "no one has ever seen anything like this before". Truthfully, the LV program and AD have been kinda sorta presenting it like KC invented it too. I've been saying since last spring that's just silly. Every coach down to rec league has seen this 40 yr old system.

So many teams ran similar or same type systems in the past with enormous success. Arkansas men's teams under Nolan Richardson comes to mind for sure.

The big question to me is why does everyone who has tried this system (which truthfully has had only sporadic success, esp in the women's game) eventually pretty much move away from it? Why doesn't everyone do it? I think you answered that below:

You need certain a type of player to be successful doing it and Kim was able to go out and get several players that fit the system perfectly and has been able to work in the ones that don't with enough effect to make it successful to this point. I know were going to have a tough go against LSU, SC, and Texas. Will like every season be tough to win against a lot of teams on the road. If we lose to Texas, LSU, SC, or UConn it won't be because of the system as much as their talent level. If we beat any of them it will be more because of the system we run more than any other reason as it can be effective in overcoming a more talented team if the shooting percentage is adequate.

Agree. Coaches eventually move away from it bc it requires a ton of extra effort and wear and tear on players to make up for not having the same talent level. Once you have an approximately equal talent level - ESP in scoring - you don't need it. Then you can keep it simple - take and make good shots.

Of course there will always be good uptempo play. Of course good teams will have a mean press they can throw on when needed. Of course "positionless play", which basically means athletic bigs who can handle and run, will be desired. But hanging your hat on workarounds like shot and possesion advantages will never replace good ole fashion scoring talent.

Kim was able to go out and get several players that fit the system perfectly and has been able to work in the ones that don't with enough effect to make it successful to this point.

Agree with the first part, not so much the second. Don't think it's a coincidence that the struggling players are all Srs who've never played this way. Don't think it's Kim's fault, these players are physically not suited. Also, they're rhythm shooters and IMO it's the constant subbing, not the pressing that's bothering them. While it's unfortunate for these beloved LVFLs, it's a passing problem bc of the stellar recruiting class. The recruits won't have to unlearn things and seem to have the talent level we need to level up in the SEC. They should be able to make the "system" a principle and an option, not a be all/end all calling card.
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[OrangeBeachVol]

Agree with the first part, not so much the second. Don't think it's a coincidence that the struggling players are all Srs who've never played this way. Don't think it's Kim's fault, these players are physically not suited. Also, they're rhythm shooters and IMO it's the constant subbing, not the pressing that's bothering them. While it's unfortunate for these beloved LVFLs, it's a passing problem bc of the stellar recruiting class. The recruits won't have to unlearn things and seem to have the talent level we need to level up in the SEC. They should be able to make the "system" a principle and an option, not a be all/end all calling card.
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Agree with your second comment. We should give props to the coaches for doing their best to work the holdovers into the system knowing some really didn't fit and props to the holdovers for buying in and trying hard to make it work. Shows good relations on both sides.

 

[Coach Jumper]

The big question to me is why does everyone who has tried this system (which truthfully has had only sporadic success, esp in the women's game) eventually pretty much move away from it? Why doesn't everyone do it?

Could be level of athleticism and endurance of said athlete it takes to not only run this system but the coaches and athletes have to be just as dedicated to train for it

Not many athletes WANT to be in a system where they can only be on the floor in spurts...In my heyday's of coaching I only had one team that I would serpentine every player into a five man subbing rotation,,,only I let them have at least 3 min+ on the court for each time out

 

[Volfan2012]

I think we'll see a better team Saturday than we saw Sunday. Everytime the team is off six or more days to practice they come out better the next game.

 

[Coach Jumper]

I will out the game thread out on Wednesday night (a little early) since there is such a long span between games,,,hold your predictions until then please

 

[lvocd]

I'm still in awe of the fact that Tess is hanging in there in this system. I had to chuckle at her comment during the post-game interview following the Iowa game. She basically alluded to being kinda surprised herself that she's hanging in there.

Now, she could definitely end up getting way fewer minutes against the better and quicker competition later on, but I sure hope she'll be able to eke out enough minutes to keep her focus and ability to come in and knock down a big three now and then. I don't know why, but it almost always feels like Tess's threes, in particular, are daggers. Anyone else feel that way? Like, "Dayum, Tess! That was killer!"

 

[Volfan2012]

I'm still in awe of the fact that Tess is hanging in there in this system. I had to chuckle at her comment during the post-game interview following the Iowa game. She basically alluded to being kinda surprised herself that she's hanging in there.

Now, she could definitely end up getting way fewer minutes against the better and quicker competition later on, but I sure hope she'll be able to eke out enough minutes to keep her focus and ability to come in and knock down a big three now and then. I don't know why, but it almost always feels like Tess's threes, in particular, are daggers. Anyone else feel that way? Like, "Dayum, Tess! That was killer!"

She is actually doing quite well when the matchups on defense can let her play. She has no problem on offense she will seldom take a bad shot or even a guarded shot. When the players are not to quick for her she can play defense very well.

 

[Volfan2012]

Sure won't last but it is nice to be the only school even if for just a few games that neither team has lost a game.

 

[Volfan2012]

I think that's what coaches have been saying.

I don't think that's what coaches have been saying at all. In fact that's what's pissing them off.

Lazy announcers and media do keep saying that though; they said Sat night "no one has ever seen anything like this before". Truthfully, the LV program and AD have been kinda sorta presenting it like KC invented it too. I've been saying since last spring that's just silly. Every coach down to rec league has seen this 40 yr old system.

The big question to me is why does everyone who has tried this system (which truthfully has had only sporadic success, esp in the women's game) eventually pretty much move away from it? Why doesn't everyone do it? I think you answered that below:

Agree. Coaches eventually move away from it bc it requires a ton of extra effort and wear and tear on players to make up for not having the same talent level. Once you have an approximately equal talent level - ESP in scoring - you don't need it. Then you can keep it simple - take and make good shots.

Of course there will always be good uptempo play. Of course good teams will have a mean press they can throw on when needed. Of course "positionless play", which basically means athletic bigs who can handle and run, will be desired. But hanging your hat on workarounds like shot and possesion advantages will never replace good ole fashion scoring talent.

Agree with the first part, not so much the second. Don't think it's a coincidence that the struggling players are all Srs who've never played this way. Don't think it's Kim's fault, these players are physically not suited. Also, they're rhythm shooters and IMO it's the constant subbing, not the pressing that's bothering them. While it's unfortunate for these beloved LVFLs, it's a passing problem bc of the stellar recruiting class. The recruits won't have to unlearn things and seem to have the talent level we need to level up in the SEC. They should be able to make the "system" a principle and an option, not a be all/end all calling card.
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I think moving away from it would be your team roster changed to the extent would just a negative to play that way. No way she could've played this way with last years team and been successful. I don't think Arkansas moved away from it until Richardson left. He ended up with a 508 wins 206 loss record and won a lot of games where his team wasn't as talented. KIm knows what kind of players it takes to play this system at the SEC level. She went out and got five that can do it and has five coming back. She may not always be able to do that, but until she can't this is the way we'll play.

 

[Volfan2012]

I think that's what coaches have been saying.

I don't think that's what coaches have been saying at all. In fact that's what's pissing them off.

Lazy announcers and media do keep saying that though; they said Sat night "no one has ever seen anything like this before". Truthfully, the LV program and AD have been kinda sorta presenting it like KC invented it too. I've been saying since last spring that's just silly. Every coach down to rec league has seen this 40 yr old system.

The big question to me is why does everyone who has tried this system (which truthfully has had only sporadic success, esp in the women's game) eventually pretty much move away from it? Why doesn't everyone do it? I think you answered that below:

Agree. Coaches eventually move away from it bc it requires a ton of extra effort and wear and tear on players to make up for not having the same talent level. Once you have an approximately equal talent level - ESP in scoring - you don't need it. Then you can keep it simple - take and make good shots.

Of course there will always be good uptempo play. Of course good teams will have a mean press they can throw on when needed. Of course "positionless play", which basically means athletic bigs who can handle and run, will be desired. But hanging your hat on workarounds like shot and possesion advantages will never replace good ole fashion scoring talent.

Agree with the first part, not so much the second. Don't think it's a coincidence that the struggling players are all Srs who've never played this way. Don't think it's Kim's fault, these players are physically not suited. Also, they're rhythm shooters and IMO it's the constant subbing, not the pressing that's bothering them. While it's unfortunate for these beloved LVFLs, it's a passing problem bc of the stellar recruiting class. The recruits won't have to unlearn things and seem to have the talent level we need to level up in the SEC. They should be able to make the "system" a principle and an option, not a be all/end all calling card.
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Iowa coach and MTSU coach said didn't think we would be successful in SEC play. So have to wait for than answer and what one would consider success. I will consider it a success if we win 11 conference games.

 

[Ladyvols4ever!]

What it was like for Pauldo twins to watch Lady Vols beat Iowa, get recognized by UT fans

Twins Mia and Mya Pauldo were at Barclays Center to watch the Lady Vols beat Iowa, and the Tennessee signees can't wait to play for Kim Caldwell

www.knoxnews.com

 

[Volfan2012]

What it was like for Pauldo twins to watch Lady Vols beat Iowa, get recognized by UT fans

Twins Mia and Mya Pauldo were at Barclays Center to watch the Lady Vols beat Iowa, and the Tennessee signees can't wait to play for Kim Caldwell

www.knoxnews.com

Ready to see them play.

 

[Ladyvols4ever!]

Pat Summitt's grandson, Breck, celebrates big wins for Tennessee football, Lady Vols

Grandson of legendary coach Pat Summitt, Breck, sang his grandmother's favorite song to celebrate Tennessee football and Lady Vols basketball wins.

www.knoxnews.com

 

[glv98]

Agree with your second comment. We should give props to the coaches for doing their best to work the holdovers into the system knowing they really didn't fit and props to the holdovers for buying in and trying hard to make it work. Shows good relations on both sides.

Also they could all still really help us. Not giving up on them. But they're struggling for sure.

Could be level of athleticism and endurance of said athlete it takes to not only run this system but the coaches and athletes have to be just as dedicated to train for it

Yes, Gabe was asked why others didn't do this and he kinda smugly said "because coaches don't want to work this hard." But it may also be a case of preferring to work smarter, not harder. Hard work is wonderful, but don't do it any more than you have to.

Not many athletes WANT to be in a system where they can only be on the floor in spurts

Don't know how many, obviously our recruits don't mind. But yeah, it will be a turnoff for some.

I think moving away from it would be your team roster changed to the extent would just a negative to play that way. No way she could've played this way with last years team and been successful. I don't think Arkansas moved away from it until Richardson left. He ended up with a 508 wins 206 loss record and won a lot of games where his team wasn't as talented. KIm knows what kind of players it takes to play this system at the SEC level. She went out and got five that can do it and has five coming back. She may not always be able to do that, but until she can't this is the way we'll play.

Agree with all. Talent rules. When we level up things will look different.

 

[lvocd]

Pat Summitt's grandson, Breck, celebrates big wins for Tennessee football, Lady Vols

Grandson of legendary coach Pat Summitt, Breck, sang his grandmother's favorite song to celebrate Tennessee football and Lady Vols basketball wins.

www.knoxnews.com

That was adorable!

 

[newladyvolfan]

How do you feel about this??

Women's Bracketology: Irish climb to 1-seed ahead of clash with UConn

No decision was tougher this week than determining the final 1-seed. But no team has two bigger wins than the Irish have on their rsum.

www.espn.com

 

[jeebie]

Agree with your second comment. We should give props to the coaches for doing their best to work the holdovers into the system knowing some really didn't fit and props to the holdovers for buying in and trying hard to make it work. Shows good relations on both sides.

This question is unrelated to the current discussion but who do you think will fill in for Coach Kim when she has her baby? I think it will be Jenna Burdette. She hangs tight with Kim on the sidelines and seems to have a good rapport with the players. I don't know how many games Kim will miss but obviously someone will have to take the reins in her absence.

 

[chuckiepoo]

I'm still in awe of the fact that Tess is hanging in there in this system. I had to chuckle at her comment during the post-game interview following the Iowa game. She basically alluded to being kinda surprised herself that she's hanging in there.

Now, she could definitely end up getting way fewer minutes against the better and quicker competition later on, but I sure hope she'll be able to eke out enough minutes to keep her focus and ability to come in and knock down a big three now and then. I don't know why, but it almost always feels like Tess's threes, in particular, are daggers. Anyone else feel that way? Like, "Dayum, Tess! That was killer!"

Recency bias probably, a little bit. That last 3 vs Iowa was a dagger/hugie fer sure!

 

[Coach Jumper]

This question is unrelated to the current discussion but who do you think will fill in for Coach Kim when she has her baby? I think it will be Jenna Burdette. She hangs tight with Kim on the sidelines and seems to have a good rapport with the players. I don't know how many games Kim will miss but obviously someone will have to take the reins in her absence.

I can be there tomorrow

 

[chuckiepoo]

Talent rules. When we level up things will look different

Disagree with how different things will look with total elite talent. You don’t need to totally buy in now, but I’m extremely grateful the team has to this point.

 

[glv98]

Disagree with how different things will look with total elite talent. You don’t need to totally buy in now, but I’m extremely grateful the team has to this point.

Don't think it's a matter of player buy in or not. Obviously both present and future players are bought in to whatever coach does. The discussion was about future dependence on possesion and shot attempt margin as a foundation. I believe that approach might change when talent is more equal.

 

[chuckiepoo]

The discussion was about future dependence on possesion and shot attempt margin as a foundation. I believe that approach might change when talent is more equal.

I don’t think the approach will change much at all. Especially if it continues to be successful.

 

[glv98]

I don’t think the approach will change much at all. Especially if it continues to be successful.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Once we have a team that shoots the ball better, there won't be the need nor the opportunity to concentrate on having a wide margin on attempts and possessions. It will evolve naturally.

 

[chuckiepoo]

We'll have to agree to disagree. Once we have a team that shoots the ball better, there won't be the need nor the opportunity to concentrate on having a wide margin on attempts and possessions. It will evolve naturally.

Kim indicated during the presser that they were working to improve both shot selection and distribution. Get that right and we’re looking at Fiddy burgers (margins) on the regular.

 

[glv98]

Kim indicated during the presser that they were working to improve both shot selection and distribution. Get that right and we’re looking at Fiddy burgers (margins) on the regular.

Yeah I think shot selection will naturally overtake attempt margin eventually. Even this year, we're one consistent 3 pt shooter away.