Tennessee Media Coverage v. Memphis

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Unimane said:
Yeah, sure they think of women's basketball. Nobody really notices that 100,000+ stadium where they play the most popular sport in the country. That's football I speak of, you know the weekly fall ritual where you lose to various cow schools by 4 touchdowns and collect paychecks from UT to support your worthless athletic program.

Regardless of your chatter, the only sport you have any worth or any pride, still has a losing record to school of note in this state.
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Again, if UT had not refused to play Memphis for almost the entire decade of the 80s the record would be different. You remember, when the Tigers were going to 4 straight S16s and a Final Four? I think UT was running a distant 5th in "The Commonwealth Basketball Conference" at the time.
 
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Actually UT only stopped playing because they wanted to play in football and basketball, but Memphis refused to play in football.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Actually UT only stopped playing because they wanted to play in football and basketball, but Memphis refused to play in football.
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That doesnt surprise me at all with our stellar record in football and incoherent ADs
 
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Unimane said:
Yeah, sure they think of women's basketball. Nobody really notices that 100,000+ stadium where they play the most popular sport in the country. That's football I speak of, you know the weekly fall ritual where you lose to various cow schools by 4 touchdowns and collect paychecks from UT to support your worthless athletic program.

Regardless of your chatter, the only sport you have any worth or any pride, still has a losing record to school of note in this state.
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Way to hijack a recruiting thread about basketball with some meaningless drivel about football. Im glad you got the chance to talk smack to someone in football this year with your stellar 2-6 record. Oh and dont forget, one of those wins was against a D2 school and the other was an overtime win bc of five missed FGs by the lowly Blazers that inhabit CUSA. Oh, and that was in that 100,000 seat work of art you referenced. I dont see where your football smack talk has any relevance in this thread. Good Day Sir
 
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homefry20 said:
This might be the stupidest thing I have seen on this board. We average 16k for home games in a ****ty conference. We have three final fours and two title game appearances. The only real thing we lack is a title.

Do me a favor, the next time you post complete BS such as the bolded above, at least attempt to gather some facts before doing so. The UAB has been sold out at the Forum the last 5 years. I guess 18,600 is a "small gathering" to you.
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You have missed the whole point. What did you think the UNLV reference was about.

No one NATIONALLY cares about your team. You do not find a kid with a Memphis Tigers hat on walking around the streets of Atlanta. Your team brings no RATINGS to UAB v. Memphis on television. Your program is not one of the big boys.

Do not try to use an argument based on history either. Memphis as a city has great basketball at the high school and AAU level. With tons of NBA players and no competition in the city for recruiting, Memphis has choked on applesauce.

TN has a program that is at its height today and it is not all that high. It is still higher than Memphis. And who were our best players during that run? Guys like Lofton and J Smith who are not in the NBA.

I like Pastner. I dislike your inability to understand the deepest cut against your program which is that nationally no one really cares about Tiger High.
 
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You see orange power T's in every state, and with some regularity so I understand what you are saying MHF, but Memphis gets a lot of NTNL love from the media year in and year out. Those CUSA games you mentioned that don't have any draw still end up with the same amount of air time on Sportscenter as our games. Historically UM is a better basketball program than ours. The tourney records back him up. Even though the only FF never happened technically. The difference isn't astounding though, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if that were to all change in the next decade.

Go Vols!!!

PS: If Pastner can't seem to put together a winning team with all that talent, it will open the door for UT to start beating UM out for the top local talent on a consistent basis which could lead to a snowball effect for UM basketball.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
You have missed the whole point. What did you think the UNLV reference was about.

No one NATIONALLY cares about your team. You do not find a kid with a Memphis Tigers hat on walking around the streets of Atlanta. Your team brings no RATINGS to UAB v. Memphis on television. Your program is not one of the big boys.

Do not try to use an argument based on history either. Memphis as a city has great basketball at the high school and AAU level. With tons of NBA players and no competition in the city for recruiting, Memphis has choked on applesauce.

TN has a program that is at its height today and it is not all that high. It is still higher than Memphis. And who were our best players during that run? Guys like Lofton and J Smith who are not in the NBA.

I like Pastner. I dislike your inability to understand the deepest cut against your program which is that nationally no one really cares about Tiger High.
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Nationally no one cares about our program? I guess thats why Kansas scheduled us for the Coaches vs Cancer Classic? Or maybe why Mark Few says our series is one of the greatest in college bball? Or maybe why we are playing in Maui next season, or in NYC this year. I see Memphis gear in all sorts of cities. But once again, this logic is completely flawed because how many of those UTK hats you see outside of Knoxville are basketball fans opposed to football? Exactly. You base your opinion of Memphis being a national program on conference affiliation and tv ratings. The Memphis vs UTK game in 2008 was the highest rated NCAA bball game in CBS history. I guess that was only because of your amazing program right? Look how many national sports columnists write about the Tigers. Im not talking about Gary Parrish either since he is from Horn Lake.

Bruce has done a great job in bringing excitement to Knoxville in mens bball. I just find it amusing that you make your first elite eight in school history and all of a sudden you are some sort of chest beater and Memphis is nothing.

Its also a lot easier for UTK to have a huge athletic budget and do what it wants with its money when you get more money from the state government than almost all other institutions combined. We have to subsidize funding to supplement budget cuts by the state since we share a board of regents with all other state universities (including the ones under the Univ. of Tenn system) as well as all of the community colleges. We fight a losing battle here but Im quite fine with the way we handle our business concerning basketball.
 
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To make an argument that UT basketball has more national appeal than Memphis just continues to reveal MHF's stupidity. Memphis is far and away the more national program. I didn't know we measured programs national appeal by the number of caps we see on the street. The only reason Memphis doesn't have even more national appeal is the lack of respect for the conference they play in. When they played Louisville every year, it was always a national match-up with national attention.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
To make an argument that UT basketball has more national appeal than Memphis just continues to reveal MHF's stupidity. Memphis is far and away the more national program. I didn't know we measured programs national appeal by the number of caps we see on the street. The only reason Memphis doesn't have even more national appeal is the lack of respect for the conference they play in. When they played Louisville every year, it was always a national match-up with national attention.
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And for some reason our AD refused an offer from them to play the opener in their brand new arena this year because they wanted a 2 for 1 deal. It was also going to offer a large revenue share for TV and they are our longtime rial that we havent played since 2005.
 
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homefry20 said:
Nationally no one cares about our program? I guess thats why Kansas scheduled us for the Coaches vs Cancer Classic? Or maybe why Mark Few says our series is one of the greatest in college bball? Or maybe why we are playing in Maui next season, or in NYC this year. I see Memphis gear in all sorts of cities. But once again, this logic is completely flawed because how many of those UTK hats you see outside of Knoxville are basketball fans opposed to football? Exactly. You base your opinion of Memphis being a national program on conference affiliation and tv ratings. The Memphis vs UTK game in 2008 was the highest rated NCAA bball game in CBS history. I guess that was only because of your amazing program right? Look how many national sports columnists write about the Tigers. Im not talking about Gary Parrish either since he is from Horn Lake.

Bruce has done a great job in bringing excitement to Knoxville in mens bball. I just find it amusing that you make your first elite eight in school history and all of a sudden you are some sort of chest beater and Memphis is nothing.

Its also a lot easier for UTK to have a huge athletic budget and do what it wants with its money when you get more money from the state government than almost all other institutions combined. We have to subsidize funding to supplement budget cuts by the state since we share a board of regents with all other state universities (including the ones under the Univ. of Tenn system) as well as all of the community colleges. We fight a losing battle here but Im quite fine with the way we handle our business concerning basketball.
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Why don't you make the argument to MHF that Memphis football has more national appeal than UT. That makes about as much sense as his argument, although UT basketball is now at a much higher level than Memphis football. I am speaking historically as to an argument with MHF.
 
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Give me a break...
You argue that Memphis has tons of national relevance thanks to being in basketball invitationals? So half of the SEC is important nationally?

Also UTK basketball gets a total of no money from the State. It is a net contributor as part of a fully self funded AD.

Look at any measure you care to examine Tennessee is more important in basketball than Memphis.
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I disagree MHF. We just got here and some of us(no names mentioned) very much act like it. lol

In 10 years this may be a different story, but as of now UM has a vastly superior tradition in mens basketball.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Give me a break...
You argue that Memphis has tons of national relevance thanks to being in basketball invitationals? So half of the SEC is important nationally?

Also UTK basketball gets a total of no money from the State. It is a net contributor as part of a fully self funded AD.

Look at any measure you care to examine Tennessee is more important in basketball than Memphis.
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Im tired of explaining things to your level of ineptitude. UTK gets tons of money from the state therefore their athletic department doesnt have to subsidize other projects on campus like Memphis does. I guess next time I make a statement so deep I will add pictures and maybe a paint by number design so u can attempt to comprehend.

And the bolded part? That is now the stupidest thing I have heard on this board. You have successfully one-upped yourself in that category.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Why don't you make the argument to MHF that Memphis football has more national appeal than UT. That makes about as much sense as his argument, although UT basketball is now at a much higher level than Memphis football. I am speaking historically as to an argument with MHF.
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I dont want to mess up his philosophy. Apparently he follows the "never let facts get in the way of a good story" method.
 
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It's plain and simple. The Vols are now nationally recognized as a basketball program along with the Tigers. Tiger fans have a hard time admitting that the Vols have risen in basketball. Denial is dangerous.
 
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top5vols said:
It's plain and simple. The Vols are now nationally recognized as a basketball program along with the Tigers. Tiger fans have a hard time admitting that the Vols have risen in basketball. Denial is dangerous.
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Not once have i claimed that the Vols arent relevant. I just totally disagree that because of one good season you claim to be a better program than my Tigers. It makes little sense.
 
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DaDuRkEr said:
I disagree MHF. We just got here and some of us(no names mentioned) very much act like it. lol

In 10 years this may be a different story, but as of now UM has a vastly superior tradition in mens basketball.
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based on 1973?

Memphis since Pearl has been there has not experienced more success in the tournament than TN.

Bruce Pearl got there in 2005-2006 season.

Tennessee record in the NCAAT since then,
2006 Second Round
2007 Sweet Sixteen
2008 Sweet Sixteen
2009 First Round
2010 Elite Eight

TN All Americans, 0

Memphis record in the NCAAT since then,
2006 Elite Eight
2007 Elite Eight
2009 Sweet Sixteen

During that time Memphis has had All Americans in two seasons that counted,
2006 Darius Washington Jr., Rodney Carney, Shawne Williams
2007 Chris Douglas-Roberts

Also prior to Bruce, Memphis has 1 Final Four in 1973, but no other big appearances.

So less history than UNLV as I said, and less of a national profile than many schools that matter

Merchandising sales, TN is 12. Memphis is 59.

But but but...TN has all those darn football fans...Yep.

I am sure that is why Duke is at 30 right? All those fans of Cutcliffe and the football success.

Sales Rankings For Collegiate Merchandise | Golfblogger Golf News, Reviews and Commentary

Yall did peak with the cheater Rose all the way up to 40...
Memphis Madness sparks U of M merchandise sales spike - Sports
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Tennessee in basketball paid attendance is behind only unquestioned nationally relevant programs like Kentucky, North Carolina and Syracuse and yet we came in 4th. Memphis came in 10th at its peak.
Tiger Basketball Ranked In Top 10 In NCAA Attendance For 2007-08 - MEMPHIS OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE

Is there some other measure I am missing that makes the Tigers a bigger national power than TN?
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What a stupid stat. I guess Duke basketball is not national because they only average 9,000 fans right? I bet that has nothing to do with the Fact that Cameron Indoor seats a little over 9k while Thompson-Boling seats 22k. Meanwhile, the FedEx Forum seats 18,000. Im sure we could average a lot more if we had 4,000 extra seats.

Oh and the merchandise stat...how much of that was basketball as opposed to football? no way to determine.

I also love how you casually left out our 2008 team because the season was technically vacated. Ill be sure to entertain this same argument again in three years since Ill be allowed to have the Vols next two to three seasons be stricken for BPs incessant cheating. that means even if my tigers go to the CBI this upcoming season that Ill be able to talk **** to you right? Spare me. Four straight Elite Eights means we must have no relevance and have never been any good. Ask Tom Izzo about Memphis in 2008 and he'll tell you hes never had his ass whipped that bad since he started coaching.
 
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homefry20 said:
And for some reason our AD refused an offer from them to play the opener in their brand new arena this year because they wanted a 2 for 1 deal. It was also going to offer a large revenue share for TV and they are our longtime rial that we havent played since 2005.
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Because RC Johnson is a douche with no vision.

MikeHamiltonFan said:
based on 1973?

Memphis since Pearl has been there has not experienced more success in the tournament than TN.

Bruce Pearl got there in 2005-2006 season.

Tennessee record in the NCAAT since then,
2006 Second Round
2007 Sweet Sixteen
2008 Sweet Sixteen
2009 First Round
2010 Elite Eight

TN All Americans, 0

Memphis record in the NCAAT since then,
2006 Elite Eight
2007 Elite Eight
2009 Sweet Sixteen

During that time Memphis has had All Americans in two seasons that counted,
2006 Darius Washington Jr., Rodney Carney, Shawne Williams
2007 Chris Douglas-Roberts

Also prior to Bruce, Memphis has 1 Final Four in 1973, but no other big appearances.
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Scratched from the record books or not, leaving out the 1985 and 2008 seasons is just dumb. That 2008 season (UT game especially) helped their national relevance, like it or not.
 
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Homefry do you have some new measure of Memphis as a national power aside from attendance and revenue and merchandise sales?
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