Tennessee QB Harrison Bailey enters NCAA transfer portal

[VolunteerNut]

Milton isn't the guy and we are hurting since HB hit the transfer portal. I understand why just wish he would have done like BM and left before fall camp., P5 call is so tough I just hope he doesn't come back to haunt us, Sick of Ainge and others on WNML slamming the kid. I went back and watched the spring game and anyone... I mean anyone that says he doesn't have arm strength knows nothing about football. What kills me about Ainge is he praised this kid and then sold him out for ratings and then tore him down. I live in Bama and only have either TB's show or the animal and I choose the animal but WNML has attacked this splendid kid like no other.

Not going to be a popular post and so be it. It is what it is.

 

[utvols74]

He'll head to Miss State. Pass happy they are.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I wish Bailey well and hope he goes to Duke. If Cut doesn't play him there maybe those who are SURE he's a 5* talent that's been slighted by Heupel will STFU.

The big loser here is Kaidon Salter who probably could've eventually excelled in a Heupel offense and is now sitting in the metropolis that is Lynchburg VA taking New Testament. Dumb. Liberty has pretty much flashed and fizzled this year and Freeze is not even coming up in the coaching vacancy conversations. If Liberty doesn't recapture some "trap opponent" appeal again, Salter may be the next Tate Martell.

 

[VolunteerNut]

Heupel wasnt gonna play Hooker either until Milton got hurt. Your kiding yourself if you think otherwise and we are Fūcked if Hooker turns pro. I think bothQbs felt like they were better than Milton. And to be comletely fair. I take HB all day everyday over a guy like Milton. He doesn't have it, never has. Heupel is the best coach we have had since Fulmer but his handling of the Qbs was suspect. I dont believe Milton earned it. I think he was going to be #1 from the moment he signed. I am glad Hooker saved the day because otherwise we would likely be begging for another guy.

CJH honored his promise to Milton and we saw how bad he was but did CJH ever put HB behind the 1st team line? NOT ONCE. We never saw what the kid could do. Hate to say it but I hope this bites CJH but I'm still behind CJH I just hope Hooker stays. If not do you put your eggs in a freshman's basket?

 

[SGMVols]

Where do people get this narrative that Heupel guaranteed Milton the starting job? I don’t believe for a second that happened.

Now, I DO believe that Heupel told Milton that he’d have a very good chance to win the job. Can you blame him if he did? It’s not like we had a proven guy on campus anyway.

But “we promise you’ll start” and “you’ll have a good chance to start” are two very different statements.

 

[sjt18]

Heupel wasnt gonna play Hooker either until Milton got hurt.

Neither of us know that... and Heupel didn't have to play Hooker after Milton got healthy again. In fact, most coaches are still resistant to letting injuries cost a starter his job.

Your kiding yourself if you think otherwise and we are Fūcked if Hooker turns pro.

Well, no. Coaching behavior and Heupel's behavior are somewhat predictable. MOST coaches won't let a single player sink them or a team. Milton was sinking UT.

If Hooker goes pro then the likely starter will come out of the portal... and there should be plenty of good options.

I think bothQbs felt like they were better than Milton.

Based on? People who were allowed to observe practice said that Milton performed better. Some said that Hooker in particular had a tough camp though he was still better than Bailey.

And to be comletely fair. I take HB all day everyday over a guy like Milton. He doesn't have it, never has.

There's no actual proof that Bailey "has it" or ever will. Both were highly rated recruits. Neither has proven that they're great college QB's. Bailey does not appear to be just a "gamer" type of guy who sucks worse in practice than on gameday. You should get what you think you are getting. Milton appears to wilt on gameday.

I still think Bailey could have passed Milton had he stuck it out... and especially if Hooker went pro. Now we'll never know.

Heupel is the best coach we have had since Fulmer but his handling of the Qbs was suspect. I dont believe Milton earned it. I think he was going to be #1 from the moment he signed. I am glad Hooker saved the day because otherwise we would likely be begging for another guy.

LOL... so his handling of the QB's is "suspect" because you "think so" having not seen practice? Ainge and others said that Milton very clearly outperformed the others. Apparently all those throws he missed in games were big plays in practice. Coaches for a lot of reasons have to go off what happens in practice unless or until a guy disproves himself on gameday.

One of those reasons is that if you start a guy who isn't as good as those competing with him... the team will see it and lose trust/buy in. I see zero evidence that players have not bought into this staff's program AND integrity.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Be our luck it will be GA and he will become a H Trophy candidate. Likely to beat the hell out of us along the way.

Georgia won’t even sniff him. Lol

Quit being dramatic.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

Arkansas, Clemson, Cincinnati.

Wild card could be Miss St.

 

[508mikey]

Arkansas, Clemson, Cincinnati.

Wild card could be Miss St.

got to add a few Big 10 teams, since so many posters claim HB is a slow runner

 

[sjt18]

CJH honored his promise to Milton

I would like to see one scintilla of proof that Heupel promised Milton anything other than an opportunity.

and we saw how bad he was

Well, there is evidence from both the staff and others that Milton beat the others out in August... and it wasn't close. It didn't translate to gameday.... but that doesn't make choosing the guy who beat the others out the wrong decision. What was he supposed to do? Ignore the guy who won the competition and start a guy who didn't?

but did CJH ever put HB behind the 1st team line? NOT ONCE.

Yeah. He did. In spring, the 3 QB's got equal reps with the ones and twos until the O&W game when the leader, Hooker, played more with the 1's while Maurer and Bailey split time between the 1's and 2's. Bailey got A LOT of snaps behind the #1 OL throughout the spring and August... and never rose higher than #3.

We never saw what the kid could do.

The coaches aren't obligated to hold tryouts during games so that you can "see what the kid could do". Coaches aren't perfect but they're much better qualified and informed than a fan frustrated because their favorite player didn't earn his way onto the field.

Hate to say it but I hope this bites CJH but I'm still behind CJH I just hope Hooker stays.

Huh? You hope it bites Heupel but are behind him? What, with a knife? What kind of Vol fan hopes that a decision bites the HC?

If not do you put your eggs in a freshman's basket?

No. The portal is a two way street. UT's starter will either be Hooker or someone out of the portal. I like the kid from Indiana... but I don't think he's a year 1 starter type of talent. He needs to be stronger and learn the scheme.

There are some very talented QB's out there thinking about the portal and watching UT play. It is likely one of the most desirable landing spots for a portal QB.

I strongly suspect Hooker will return. I feel about as good about that probability as I did the probability this summer that Bailey's shot to be the starter came down to decisions and getting the ball out on time and target... and that he would leave if he didn't win the job. If Hooker doesn't stay then it will be a portal guy most likely.

 

[VolDave53]

CJH honored his promise to Milton and we saw how bad he was but did CJH ever put HB behind the 1st team line? NOT ONCE. We never saw what the kid could do. Hate to say it but I hope this bites CJH but I'm still behind CJH I just hope Hooker stays. If not do you put your eggs in a freshman's basket?

You know of this supposed "promise" how, exactly? From the internet pontificators? Personal firsthand knowledge?

Most of the hand wringing on this board comes from imagined events, perceived puffery from other hand wringers and the simple desire for relevance.

I prefer to believe what all who witnessed some, or all, of the practice sessions. All were equally given a shot and there was a virtual unanimous consensus that Milton out performed the competition in those sessions. HB was an also ran. His performance in game time was lacking as well. Sorry for the young man, but he needed to remain under the tutelage of CJH for another year or two. The worst thing that happened to HB was the late arrival of the 5 Star rating in his senior year. It put far too high of an expectation level on his shoulders. Some of it self imposed (as all competitors do) and the public frothing at the mouth for a new Manning.

The apparent belief that he was the next Great White Hope also drove some of the narrative that he was the best horse in the stable. Yep, I said it. If it pisses people off, well then maybe some self examination needs to occur.

 

[VolunteerNut]

You know of this supposed "promise" how, exactly? From the internet pontificators? Personal firsthand knowledge?

Most of the hand wringing on this board comes from imagined events, perceived puffery from other hand wringers and the simple desire for relevance.

I prefer to believe what all who witnessed some, or all, of the practice sessions. All were equally given a shot and there was a virtual unanimous consensus that Milton out performed the competition in those sessions. HB was an also ran. His performance in game time was lacking as well. Sorry for the young man, but he needed to remain under the tutelage of CJH for another year or two. The worst thing that happened to HB was the late arrival of the 5 Star rating in his senior year. It put far too high of an expectation level on his shoulders. Some of it self imposed (as all competitors do) and the public frothing at the mouth for a new Manning.

The apparent belief that he was the next Great White Hope also drove some of the narrative that he was the best horse in the stable. Yep, I said it. If it pisses people off, well then maybe some self examination needs to occur.

Milton wasn't even there in spring...... reset SIR. Oh yeah ignore comes to mind.

 

[VolDave53]

Milton wasn't even there in spring...... reset SIR. Oh yeah ignore comes to mind.

Niether was HH. Learn to read. . . I mentioned nothing about Spring. Maybe you are in the last category.

 

[VolunteerNut]

You know of this supposed "promise" how, exactly? From the internet pontificators? Personal firsthand knowledge?

Most of the hand wringing on this board comes from imagined events, perceived puffery from other hand wringers and the simple desire for relevance.

I prefer to believe what all who witnessed some, or all, of the practice sessions. All were equally given a shot and there was a virtual unanimous consensus that Milton out performed the competition in those sessions. HB was an also ran. His performance in game time was lacking as well. Sorry for the young man, but he needed to remain under the tutelage of CJH for another year or two. The worst thing that happened to HB was the late arrival of the 5 Star rating in his senior year. It put far too high of an expectation level on his shoulders. Some of it self imposed (as all competitors do) and the public frothing at the mouth for a new Manning.

The apparent belief that he was the next Great White Hope also drove some of the narrative that he was the best horse in the stable. Yep, I said it. If it pisses people off, well then maybe some self examination needs to occur.

So you dealt the race card? Nothing to do with that..... NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ever, this has to do with running this offense and CJH didn't like how HB fit his offense and he's being paid to run his team as he sees fit. I will never argue that but i just hope HB doesn't transfer to a school that bites us later. It may never happen and I wish the kid the best but if it comes back then we get what we deserve.

 

[volinthenorth]

I thought it was immediately after the season, but the earliest they can enter the portal is December 15. That’s a pretty lengthy timeframe to wait around, so that changes my opinion on this subject.

I guess it's a question of, How much should we expect a player who is leaving to 'sacrifice' for his team? If Bailey can get a better landing place by leaving now instead of Dec 15, should we expect him to wait around until then just so he can help us have an extra signing class spot next year? Probably not, but I could see arguments either way for what the "right thing to do" is in that situation.

 

[VolunteerNut]

I know I'm in a small percentage of fans but I wanted HB to say. Hate he left when he did but I won't blast the kid or slam him like Ainge did. I lost so much respect for Ainge it's not funny. I'm done with the animal. Wish the kid well and move on, Don't tear the kid down. He made a choice for his future. Tell one person who wouldn't do the same thing? I refuse to listen to Josh and Heater (idiots) John and jimmy ok but TSL and The erik Ainge show are dead to me

 

[C-south]

It’s not the transfer…that’s been a foregone conclusion. It’s the timing.

Why? Any time he spends here knowing he’s leaving is time wasted.

 

[C-south]

He'll head to Miss State. Pass happy they are.

Or maybe USCjr.

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

Hate to say it but I hope this bites CJH but I'm still behind CJH

These are mutually exclusive statements.

 

[jarnol32]

So you are saying a Freshman that doesn’t start isn’t going to be a good player. I think too many people forget that the kid is basically a redshirt FR this year with no coaching last year. Part of this probably is because he committed early and his name has been mentioned on this board for 3 years. He was highly rated, but not as a dual threat. Give him a system for his style, a year to learn, mature, and get stronger and then declare him a failure. He has 4 years of eligibility left. I would bet he gets multiple offers from Power 5 schools.
Oh, Mac Jones ring a bell? Not good enough to start until he was a SR. Now starting in NFL as a rookie. Guess fans thought he wasn’t good enough either.

Brian Maurer, Hendon hooker and Joe Milton are all superior quarterbacks to Bailey. Bailey had the weakest arm of any scholarship qb since the day he stepped on campus. He wasn’t particularly accurate on any pass over 5 yards, and he had a really slow release. If you don’t have a great arm, and you can’t run, you better be really accurate or you won’t play at the d-1 level. Bailey is just not that good.

 

[gemlek]

Hope he picks a team with the right system that fits his talents

 

[508mikey]

Brian Maurer, Hendon hooker and Joe Milton are all superior quarterbacks to Bailey. Bailey had the weakest arm of any scholarship qb since the day he stepped on campus. He wasn’t particularly accurate on any pass over 5 yards. If you don’t have a great arm, and you can’t run, you better be really accurate or you won’t play at the d-1 level. Bailey is just not that good.

Are you a scout for Vanderbilt ?

 

[JoAllan]

I wonder if you have any remote idea how tired and mindless your argument is? It can be eviscerated simply by two words: Joe Milton.

As in, this infallible coach we have that never could have possibly made a wrong evaluation of a quarterback in practice, chose Milton over Hooker and Bailey both. So the notion that our coach was infallible in his evaluation of Bailey because he saw him in practice, just doesn't hold water. We all saw how horrifically bad Milton was, and Heupel chose him over Bailey and Hooker both.

It's possible that Bailey would not have done well had he gotten a fair shake; but he absolutely did not get said fair shake, just speaking of the far less time he got in games than either Milton or Hooker.

you don’t understand how an argument goes do you?

when challenged……..you actually have to start backing up your claim……..instead of…..simply because “you” say so.

 

[butchna]

Why? Any time he spends here knowing he’s leaving is time wasted.

Opinion was based on the extra spot in the signing class. For some reason I thought it applied if he finished the season. But it only kicks in if he enters the portal AFTER December 15. I can’t fault him for not wanting to wait that out.

 

[butchna]

I guess it's a question of, How much should we expect a player who is leaving to 'sacrifice' for his team? If Bailey can get a better landing place by leaving now instead of Dec 15, should we expect him to wait around until then just so he can help us have an extra signing class spot next year? Probably not, but I could see arguments either way for what the "right thing to do" is in that situation.

That’s why I’ve changed my opinion.