Texas Immigration Bills

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#152
T-TownVol said:
Would you like the US to resemble ancient Rome? That worked out real well for them.
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It worked for 800 years, to include the Pax Romana.

However, the challenge was raised to name a society that has ever allowed such crossing of their borders. I named Rome and since then, that original point has not been challenged. People are simply attacking the tangents and the fringes.
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#153
Am I wrong in thinking your idea of promoting a more open border as a mechanism of the free market? That too far off base?

It's an interesting one.
 
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milohimself said:
Am I wrong in thinking your idea of promoting a more open border as a mechanism of the free market? That too far off base?

It's an interesting one.
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Aside from the morality issue I take with restricting freedom of movement due to arbitrary legislation, you could say I would very much appreciate such a consequence.
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therealUT said:
Aside from the morality issue I take with restricting freedom of movement due to arbitrary legislation, you could say I would very much appreciate such a consequence.
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If you don't get into that Graduate program, maybe you could spend some time illegally living in Mexico to see how that works out for you.
 
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azVolFan said:
If you don't get into that Graduate program, maybe you could spend some time illegally living in Mexico to see how that works out for you.
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It would probably work out fine and would be a wonderful life experience.
 
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therealUT said:
It would probably work out fine and would be a wonderful life experience.
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Really?

Mexico's illegals laws tougher than Arizona's - Washington Times

Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.
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Like I said...go ahead and see how it works out for you.
 
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therealUT said:
It would probably work out fine and would be a wonderful life experience.
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Yeah sure. Meanwhile every Mexican around you that isn't part of a cartel will either be getting their head cut off or making a run for the border as fast as they can. You go live 30 miles south of the US border. Enjoy it.
 
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azVolFan said:
Really?

Mexico's illegals laws tougher than Arizona's - Washington Times



Like I said...go ahead and see how it works out for you.
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Also under Mexican law, a US Citizen is not required to have a Visa to visit Mexico for an indefinite period of time. So, like I said, I would gladly live in Mexico and find the experience enriching.

As for NEOCON's assertion that every Mexican is getting their head cut off...laughable.

I've been in much worse places than Mexico and in those places not everyone is getting their heads cut off.
 
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#163
My assertion?

Wow.

Yeah guy there's no cartel problem in Mexico.

My bad.
 
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NEOCON said:
My assertion?

Wow.

Yeah guy there's no cartel problem in Mexico.

My bad.
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You posited the belief that every Mexican residing within 30 miles of the border who is not part of a cartel is either getting their head cut-off or fleeing.

I am challenging that and stating that is categorically false.

So, yes, your bad.
 
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I will say this, the people in many of the border areas are afraid to speak out and many are forced to cooperate with the cartels. People in these areas are scared to report any crime because they fear at the very least some element of the local police is involved. These areas are among the most dangerous in the world and the bodies that are found are evidence of the problem (many more bodies are never found).

While he has overstated the problem and it is true that not all the border areas are overrun with cartel members, there are vast areas where cartels have more authority and hold on the area than the police.
 
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#168
How many different mass graves you want links too?

Don;t want to go cherry picking?

I'm sure the 72 dead in one grave alone would feel they were cherry picked.
 
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#171
NEOCON said:
Young woman sheriff in Mexico = Guadalupe Presence | Welcome to Virgin Territory!

My bad.
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You meant to send me to this link?

Marisol Valles Garcia said, “Yes.” She is twenty years old and she’s become the sheriff of Praxedis G. Guerrero, a town practically on the outskirts of Ciudad Juarez, the most dangerous city in Mexico. Here’s a link to the story.

Her name, a combination of Mary and Sun, is appropriate. THIS is how the Guadalupe presence functions. That woman-image from Revelation 21, “clothed with the sun,” offers a new paradigm for conquering evil. New? After all, those words have been there for a long, long time. But maybe we’re moving into a time, when we’re finally ready to leave the old model behind. That’s the one we’ve been playing over and over again: perpetrator, victim and rescuer. The innocent victim is tied to the railroad tracks by an evil villain and waits for a hero to show up and save the day.

In the new model, it is Guadalupe (Woman, the spiritual ideal, the image of God, enlightened consciousness — SO many names) who shows up. Her presence is the day, and like dawn destroys the night, the mere fact of her existence sends darkness packing. The Guadalupe presence doesn’t retaliate, use force or bravado. It simply is what it is — virgin.

Virginity is powerful. In its original concept, it had NOTHING to do with physiology. Being a virgin meant having authority, because a virgin was “author” of her own experience. She carried no labels from any faction. She was defined by no relationship other than the one she maintained with her Creator. She was no one’s daughter, servant, wife, lover, or mother. She was “one-in-herself.” She was whole, complete, un-captured, unbroken, un-invaded, intact. Can’t touch that! Not without going down in flames.

Am I saying Marisol Valles Garcia is an incarnation of Guadalupe, another appearance of The Virgin there on the Texas and Mexico border? No, no more than I would say she was the sun itself. But I do recognize a sunbeam when I see one. Perhaps the dawn is breaking.
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Did you post this simply because it states that Juarez is the most dangerous city in Mexico? Would you avoid going to the US if I sent you a link claiming Detroit was the most dangerous city in America?
 
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NEOCON said:
Police: 17 bodies found in Mexican mass grave - CNN

BBC News - Mexico mass grave: 18 kidnapped tourists found

Bodies of 72 Suspected Migrants Found Killed in Mexico Near Texas Border - Bloomberg

My bad.
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Sorry, I still don't find myself deterred. I was in Rome days after bombs were detected in the Termini...I still rode the metro.

I was in Hyderabad, India just months after the Mecca Masjid blasts. I still went into the Mosque, up into Charminar, and then went to Mumbai on my voyage out of India.

Bad **** happens everywhere. Would you turn down a trip to Rio? Nairobi? Amman? Jerusalem? I sure wouldn't.

Attacks, murders, and kidnappings are anomalies and are rare even in places with high crime rates.
 
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therealUT said:
Sorry, I still don't find myself deterred. I was in Rome days after bombs were detected in the Termini...I still rode the metro.

I was in Hyderabad, India just months after the Mecca Masjid blasts. I still went into the Mosque, up into Charminar, and then went to Mumbai on my voyage out of India.

Bad **** happens everywhere. Would you turn down a trip to Rio? Nairobi? Amman? Jerusalem? I sure wouldn't.

Attacks, murders, and kidnappings are anomalies and are rare even in places with high crime rates.
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I'm sorry
 
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#174
America's drug problem feeds the cartels. Legalize drugs like Portugal and the money flowing from the US into Mexico and the cartels is drastically reduced. We could also save a ton of money by cutting off the never ending "war on drugs" bullcrap. Tax pot and we could solve a lot of budget woes.
 
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VOLatile said:
America's drug problem feeds the cartels. Legalize drugs like Portugal and the money flowing from the US into Mexico and the cartels is drastically reduced. We could also save a ton of money by cutting off the never ending "war on drugs" bullcrap. Tax pot and we could solve a lot of budget woes.
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There are a lot of ex-DEA guys who believe that we not only feed the Mexican Cartels, but, in dealing such a blow to the Columbian Cartels in the late '80s, we in fact paved the way for the Mexican Cartels.

Nick Reding does a great job describing this process in his book Methland.
 
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