Texas Immigration Bills

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utvolpj said:
how do you figure?
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Maybe not the best example, but my wife's wedding band/engagement rings were stole from my bedroom in my home by some chick. I remember feeling pretty violated, even after the police found the rings in a pawn store the crackhead took them for cash.
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#102
#102
7thgroupvolfan said:
Maybe not the best example, but my wife's wedding band/engagement rings were stole from my bedroom in my home by some chick. I remember feeling pretty violated, even after the police found the rings in a pawn store the crackhead took them for cash.
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I understand the feeling and he also said that stealing was wrong
 
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VOLatile said:
One would allow only maids, gardeners, and landscapers to stay, everyone else gets deported and their employers go to jail for up to 2 years.
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That's really strange.

Another allows for racial profiling by requiring cops to ask a person's citizenship status. I highly doubt a cop will ask a white person for their status.
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If it's similar to what Arizona had, there's no problem with it.

Another would make English the official language of Texas.
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Should be the national language.
 
#110
#110
No national language?

You realize that is why places like the Phillippines can't get away from being a 3rd world.

You can't have a nation of multiple languages and have a thriving industry.
 
#111
#111
NEOCON said:
No national language?

You realize that is why places like the Phillippines can't get away from being a 3rd world.

You can't have a nation of multiple languages and have a thriving industry.
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How did we get away with being a first world nation with a massive influx of immigrants, then? We're doing just fine... although we can improve in MANY areas and making English our national language wouldn't really help at all.
 
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VOLatile said:
How did we get away with being a first world nation with a massive influx of immigrants, then? We're doing just fine... although we can improve in MANY areas and making English our national language wouldn't really help at all.[/QUOTE

We're not doing fine.

I hate to tell you that but this country is going backwards.
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#113
#113
VOLatile said:
There should be no national language.
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Yes there should. I'm a big advocate of improving foreign language education in several ways, and I highly recommend learning one. However, there's no reason we shouldn't have a national language for the convenience of just about every citizen.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Yes there should. I'm a big advocate of improving foreign language education in several ways, and I highly recommend learning one. However, there's no reason we shouldn't have a national language for the convenience of just about every citizen.
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As demonstrated over the course of American history and immigration to America, if the immigrants bring their families to America with them, they assimilate within a generation, at most two, to include both culture and language.
 
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NEOCON said:
VOLatile said:
How did we get away with being a first world nation with a massive influx of immigrants, then? We're doing just fine... although we can improve in MANY areas and making English our national language wouldn't really help at all.
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We're not doing fine.

I hate to tell you that but this country is going backwards.
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It's not going backwards because we don't have a national language, that's for sure.

tvolsfan said:
What's the downside?
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There's not really a downside or an upside that I can see, other than it might alienate some people. We've never had a national language and that's never affected how this country has progressed, why designate one now?

If there's a national language, then manufacturers might print everything in English to save some pennies, therefore, alienating non-English speaking people from making informed decisions on the products they buy. Of course, that's a decision to the manufacturer as there's no requirement for multilingual packaging. Also, would the papers to acquire citizenship be in English only? How would a non-English speaker go about legally becoming a citizen if the information is in English only? I'm just rambling off on a tangent now, but my point should be clear. There's no point for or against a national language. They eventually learn English anyways. Many have trouble doing so, so why force it upon them earlier?

Should we change the name of the language to American or is that too nationalistic?
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
Maybe not the best example, but my wife's wedding band/engagement rings were stole from my bedroom in my home by some chick. I remember feeling pretty violated, even after the police found the rings in a pawn store the crackhead took them for cash.
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She must be related to my step pricks. They got their mama and step mamas wedding rings.

Oxy = helladrug. And that aint a 10th of it.
 
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therealUT said:
As demonstrated over the course of American history and immigration to America, if the immigrants bring their families to America with them, they assimilate within a generation, at most two, to include both culture and language.
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That's good. Having English as a national language isn't going to slow down the process.
 
#119
#119
They eventually learn English anyways. Many have trouble doing so, so why force it upon them earlier?
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What's wrong with addressing something earlier rather than later?

Should we change the name of the language to American or is that too nationalistic?
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No, that's just a stupid counter argument. I'm not advocating this out of national pride or fear of change, so don't try to make it about that. The way I see it, having a national language would speed up assimilation and it would be more convenient for English speakers as well.
 
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#120
tvolsfan said:
What's wrong with addressing something earlier rather than later?

No, that's just a stupid counter argument. I'm not advocating this out of national pride or fear of change, so don't try to make it about that. The way I see it, having a national language would speed up assimilation and it would be more convenient for English speakers as well.
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Then what's the point of designating a national language when there are so many that speak so many languages and go on fine day-to-day? Not only Spanish, but French, Chinese, Japanese, etc. The only people that have a problem are the Americans that don't know anything but English and refuse to stop and attempt to comprehend broken English.

You're only going to get kids saying, "Hey, English is the national language, why should I learn another language?" It will not promote bilingualism at all.
 
#122
#122
droski said:
can you list a society in history that hasn't considered people illegally crossing borders a crime?
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The Roman Empire.

Hadrian's Wall was built as a defense against an invading army, not as a barrier to individual passage. At every mile along the wall there was a large-open gate that allowed the flow of persons both in and out.

Elsewhere, along the "borders" of the empire there were simply porous chains of guard-posts and lookouts. They were on the lookout for invading armies and did not concern themselves with small groups of individuals passing to and from the empire.

The history of the Roman Empire is an amazing history of immigration and assimilation.
 
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VOLatile said:
Then what's the point of designating a national language when there are so many that speak so many languages and go on fine day-to-day? Not only Spanish, but French, Chinese, Japanese, etc. The only people that have a problem are the Americans that don't know anything but English and refuse to stop and attempt to comprehend broken English.
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Why wouldn't we want one language that all our citizens should be able to speak?

You're only going to get kids saying, "Hey, English is the national language, why should I learn another language?" It will not promote bilingualism at all.
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It's about what the job market dictates. People haven't needed to learn another language. That may be different in the future. In that case, people should be able to learn whatever language they choose. They shouldn't have to learn different languages to speak to people in their own country.
 
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therealUT said:
The Roman Empire.

Hadrian's Wall was built as a defense against an invading army, not as a barrier to individual passage. At every mile along the wall there was a large-open gate that allowed the flow of persons both in and out.

Elsewhere, along the "borders" of the empire there were simply porous chains of guard-posts and lookouts. They were on the lookout for invading armies and did not concern themselves with small groups of individuals passing to and from the empire.

The history of the Roman Empire is an amazing history of immigration and assimilation.
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might explain why rome got sacked.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,553753,00.html
 
#125
#125
therealUT said:
The Roman Empire.

Hadrian's Wall was built as a defense against an invading army, not as a barrier to individual passage. At every mile along the wall there was a large-open gate that allowed the flow of persons both in and out.

Elsewhere, along the "borders" of the empire there were simply porous chains of guard-posts and lookouts. They were on the lookout for invading armies and did not concern themselves with small groups of individuals passing to and from the empire.

The history of the Roman Empire is an amazing history of immigration and assimilation.
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12 Million is a small number? 12 Million is an invasion.
 
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