Thanks, Coach Fulmer.

[whobethis16]

Agree. Blowouts no, but not a great overall record.

It's part of the game. Unfortunately, it is. Sometimes a team just has another team's number. Slumps happen, flukes happen, etc. Timing of schedule. All these things can effect it. And that argument about Fulmer going 5-7 in 08 is unfair because there is no way that team loses to Wyoming if they don't announce the firing. That makes him 6-6 with most likely a bowl game.

 

[Jacksonvol]

I've had an epiphany.....Someone needs to start a thread bashing Gen. Neyland...Even though he had a 173-31-12 record, the program fell apart in the 50's and it started with his final years...That man deserves a lot of "bashing"....[total sarcasm intended]...That'll break the monotony of Phil's threads....

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

I've had an epiphany.....Someone needs to start a thread bashing Gen. Neyland...Even though he had a 173-31-12 record, the program fell apart in the 50's and it started with his final years...That man deserves a lot of "bashing"....[total sarcasm intended]...That'll break the monotony of Phil's threads....

The funniest part of that is that they did try to run Neyland out of Knoxville in the 40's.


1946 9-2 5-0 T-1st
1947 5-5 2-3 T-9th
1948 4-4-2 2-3-1 8th
1949 7-2-1 4-1-1 3rd

I believe it was in 48' that they tried to run him out.

 

[hohenfelsvol]

It's part of the game. Unfortunately, it is. Sometimes a team just has another team's number. Slumps happen, flukes happen, etc. Timing of schedule. All these things can effect it. And that argument about Fulmer going 5-7 in 08 is unfair because there is no way that team loses to Wyoming if they don't announce the firing. That makes him 6-6 with most likely a bowl game.

5-7 vs 6-6

Still crappy and still downward trend with no end in sight

 

[114VOL]

You said, and I quote, "frequent blowout losses to our biggest rivals." I provided what we did in our "biggest rival" games. Don't start trying to switch it up when you get caught. Yes, I know he lost games he shouldn't have. But your argument is exactly what I disproved, and now you're trying to cover your ass.

I am not trying to cover anything. If you don't want to acknowledge getting blown out by Miami and Maryland, that's your denial.

I have more than proven my point concerning the downturn from 2002-2008.

 

[Vol4life25]

2002 blowout losses
Florida at home, Bama at home, Miami at home, Maryland in the bowl game

2003
Georgia at home
2 touchdown loss to UNRANKED Clemson in the bowl game

2004
Auburn at home

2005
We didn't really get blown out by anyone but Notre Dame, but we went 5-6 after a preseason #3 ranking

2006
Losses to Florida and LSU which were both close games, but they were AT HOME. We got blown out at Arkansas and beat by an inferior PSU team in the bowl game

2007
Blowout losses to Cal, Florida and 6-6 Alabama. Yeah we won the SEC east. Nice accomplishment but the red flags were still being flown at full height

2008
5-7

None of events are exaggerations. It's all straightforward facts

Good coach and great recruiter for the first nine years. Not so much 2002 and beyond. It was past time to move on.

The problem with people like you is you expect a Saban team, and that's not realistic.

You expect 11-1 every year.

 

[114VOL]

I've had an epiphany.....Someone needs to start a thread bashing Gen. Neyland...Even though he had a 173-31-12 record, the program fell apart in the 50's and it started with his final years...That man deserves a lot of "bashing"....[total sarcasm intended]...That'll break the monotony of Phil's threads....

Acknowledging someone's shortcomings is not bashing. In fact, I have often stated that Fulmer was a great recruiter and good coach. To point out the red flags of the downturn from 2002-2007 isn't bashing either. It's stating facts about the program and how we were no longer relevant nationally.

 

[bamacheats]

No, I do not approve of taking cheap shots at someone's appearance. You call yourself a fan and at the same time, post garbage like that, about our coach?

A cheap shot would be ripping on someone for something that they can't help. Obesity is a choice.

 

[114VOL]

The problem with people like you is you expect a Saban team, and that's not realistic.

You expect 11-1 every year.

No, you're 100% wrong like most of your ilk here. I don't have a problem with 9-3 or even 8-4, if we're being competitive with our biggest rivals. The problem was that were weren't being competitive on a regular basis the last seven years of CPF's tenure

 

[volfanecs]

Acknowledging someone's shortcomings is not bashing. In fact, I have often stated that Fulmer was a great recruiter and good coach. To point out the red flags of the downturn from 2002-2007 isn't bashing either. It's stating facts about the program and how we were no longer relevant nationally.

1 year removed from the SECCG is not irrelevant.

 

[bamacheats]

The problem with people like you is you expect a Saban team, and that's not realistic.

You expect 11-1 every year.

The problem with people like you is that you accept mediocrity and complacentcy.

 

[114VOL]

It's part of the game. Unfortunately, it is. Sometimes a team just has another team's number. Slumps happen, flukes happen, etc. Timing of schedule. All these things can effect it. And that argument about Fulmer going 5-7 in 08 is unfair because there is no way that team loses to Wyoming if they don't announce the firing. That makes him 6-6 with most likely a bowl game.

damn...LOL

making a big deal out of the end of the 2008 seasons is a silly and impertinent point. At a program like UT, 6-6 isn't really any better than 5-7.

6-6 would have still gotten him fired.

 

[114VOL]

He said from 2002-08. Yes, I agree that those two years were not good in regards to playing Bama and Florida, but his argument is from his last 7 years, and an average of 1 blowout a year isn't all that bad considering how good UGA was early that decade and how good Bama and Florida was at the end.

Are you forgetting the blowout losses to Miami..AT HOME, Maryland and California.

Face the fact: Fulmer's firing was justified.

 

[armchair]

he apparently left out //his responsibility// when he made the remarks blaming everyone but the cooks and laundry personnel for UT's demise. But that was his problem the last several years--always making excuses instead of the tough decisions.

 

[whobethis16]

Are you forgetting the blowout losses to Miami..AT HOME, Maryland and California.

Face the fact: Fulmer's firing was justified.

Are you forgetting that you said our rivals? Last time I checked, Miami, Maryland, and Cal are not rivals. If you wanted to talk about total blowout losses, that's one thing. However, you said against our rivals, and now you're trying to cover your ass because I proved you wrong. Grow a pair and say you were wrong regarding the statistics you originally presented.

 

[114VOL]

Are you forgetting that you said our rivals? Last time I checked, Miami, Maryland, and Cal are not rivals. If you wanted to talk about total blowout losses, that's one thing. However, you said against our rivals, and now you're trying to cover your ass because I proved you wrong. Grow a pair and say you were wrong regarding the statistics you originally presented.

You've lost the debate and in an effort to divert, you're embarrassing yourself. Do yourself a favor and move on. I consider Cal and Miami national rivals of ours. The debate isn't about semantics. It's about the years from 2002-2008 and the justifiable firing of CPF.

 

[Tux]

Forty percent of his 52 losses were racked up in his last four years. That's what killed him. SEC coaching landscape changed and he didn't. There were too many coaches giving him "fits"

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[volfanecs]

You've lost the debate and in an effort to divert, you're embarrassing yourself. Do yourself a favor and move on. I consider Cal and Miami national rivals of ours. The debate isn't about semantics. It's about the years from 2002-2008 and the justifiable firing of CPF.

Sneaking in the word "national" to the debate?

 

[hohenfelsvol]

:lolabove:

 

[Tux]

:lolabove:

The fark illustrates what you said, the Ray Goffs, Gerry DiNardo's Lou Holtz, Brad Scott's, Woody Widehofers, David Shula's, Mike Duboses and the other pushover coaches were gone. The new breed of SEC coaches are race car drivers/jockeys of fine horses that Fulmer failed to keep up with on the recruiting trail and on the field in head-to-head battles.

Fulmer was 9-22 versus the coaches in this fark. That is a .290 winning percentage against the new breed of collegiate coaches.

 

[114VOL]

Sneaking in the word "national" to the debate?

You're right. I probably shouldn't have "snuck" it in there. We were no longer nationally relevant from 2002-2008 so getting blown out by teams like Miami and California were expected by fans like you.

Fulmer is gone and rightly so. The sooner you accept facts and move on will be the sooner you stop embarrassing yourself and the fanbase

 

[whobethis16]

You've lost the debate and in an effort to divert, you're embarrassing yourself. Do yourself a favor and move on. I consider Cal and Miami national rivals of ours. The debate isn't about semantics. It's about the years from 2002-2008 and the justifiable firing of CPF.

Wow. You consider Miami a rival win they've played three times. AND you consider Cal a rival when they've played 4 times. Well, let's call Penn State and Nebraska rivals. Or Western Kentucky. We've played them that many times.

 

[volfanecs]

You're right. I probably shouldn't have "snuck" it in there. We were no longer nationally relevant from 2002-2008 so getting blown out by teams like Miami and California were expected by fans like you.

Fulmer is gone and rightly so. The sooner you accept facts and move on will be the sooner you stop embarrassing yourself and the fanbase

I am embarrassing the fanbase? Are you representing the fanbase now? Did they all call you and say I was embarrassing them? Oh that's right, you just "know" these facts.

 

[hohenfelsvol]

The fark illustrates what you said, the Ray Goffs, Gerry DiNardo's Lou Holtz, Brad Scott's, Woody Widehofers, David Shula's, Mike Duboses and the other pushover coaches were gone. The new breed of SEC coaches are race car drivers/jockeys of fine horses that Fulmer failed to keep up with on the recruiting trail and on the field in head-to-head battles.

Fulmer was 9-22 versus the coaches in this fark. That is a .290 winning percentage against the new breed of collegiate coaches.

Great illustration

 

[114VOL]

I am embarrassing the fanbase? Are you representing the fanbase now? Did they all call you and say I was embarrassing them? Oh that's right, you just "know" these facts.

Fulmer isn't our coach anymore. His firing was justified.