Thanks, Coach Fulmer.

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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Bull ******* SH***

If it was his time to go then he should have been allowed to finish the season. It is NEVER, EVER justified to take a coach that had given their program even half of what Fulmer did and fire him mid season, like some sort of criminal coach caught in illicit activity. That's not just a "my opinion" or a Fulmer fan opinion, that was the consensus of just about every coach across the nation, talk went on across sports media at just how rotten it was to treat him that way. That we are still arguing about this shows the divisiveness among fans over that act. It was absolutely the WORST way you could handle that, and made many better coaches not WANT to be part of the search. It could have been easily handled much better, and done in a way that showed him the proper respect for all he accomplished which is still the best record since Neyland. With fans like you guys who needs Alabama to hate on....
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Amen brother. And to those who belittle CPF.....choose another team....you will not be missed.
 
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bamacheats said:
Phil Fulmer morphed into Phil Failure.

Similar to Cut at Ole Miss. Everybody knew he was going to suck when he lost Eli Manning, and they were right.

Fulmer was great when the SEC only had one great coach in Spurrier (who owned Phil). They upgraded, Phil didn't.
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Ole Miss hired Cut only to get Eli. Once they got that, they let him go.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Ok, after a 5-6 season, he goes 9-3 regular season, goes to a bowl. Year after, he goes 9-3 and goes to the SECCG and another bowl. Year after that, if at least done correctly, he goes 6-6 and another bowl game. Now, I know 6-6 isn't good. However, to say he couldn't turn it around is asinine. Because he wasn't really given a chance to turn it around.

Note: since you consider Cal a "national rival" he certainly did a good job defending his home field against them.
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The record might have been better, but the red flags were still being flown. When you're losing games 59-20 and 41-17 to your biggest rivals, you can't really say you've turned it around. That's all I am saying.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Bull ******* SH***

If it was his time to go then he should have been allowed to finish the season. It is NEVER, EVER justified to take a coach that had given their program even half of what Fulmer did and fire him mid season, like some sort of criminal coach caught in illicit activity. That's not just a "my opinion" or a Fulmer fan opinion, that was the consensus of just about every coach across the nation, talk went on across sports media at just how rotten it was to treat him that way. That we are still arguing about this shows the divisiveness among fans over that act. It was absolutely the WORST way you could handle that, and made many better coaches not WANT to be part of the search. It could have been easily handled much better, and done in a way that showed him the proper respect for all he accomplished which is still the best record since Neyland. With fans like you guys who needs Alabama to hate on....
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Sorry if you misinterpreted my post. I am in agreement that the firing was handled poorly. They should have absolutely waited until the end of the season. My point was that ultimately, the firing was justified.

As far as being a fan, I will stack myself up against you any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I haven't said one dam thing disrespectful about Fulmer.
 
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114VOL said:
Sorry if you misinterpreted my post. I am in agreement that the firing was handled poorly. They should have absolutely waited until the end of the season. My point was that ultimately, the firing was justified.

As far as being a fan, I will stack myself up against you any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I haven't said one dam thing disrespectful about Fulmer.
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If you do not count: he is not a great coach. The HOF would disagree with you. He left cupboard bare. He did not leave. He could not turn it around. You could not possibly know that.

Stack yourself up any day of the week: BRING IT!!!!
 
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volfanecs said:
Amen brother. And to those who belittle CPF.....choose another team....you will not be missed.
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Is pointing out a coach's shortcomings belittling him?

I hate it when someone questions my fandom as if they have the first damn clue as to what they're talking about.

I am a fan of the University of Tennessee, not the University of Fulmer
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Bull ******* SH***

If it was his time to go then he should have been allowed to finish the season. It is NEVER, EVER justified to take a coach that had given their program even half of what Fulmer did and fire him mid season, like some sort of criminal coach caught in illicit activity. That's not just a "my opinion" or a Fulmer fan opinion, that was the consensus of just about every coach across the nation, talk went on across sports media at just how rotten it was to treat him that way. That we are still arguing about this shows the divisiveness among fans over that act. It was absolutely the WORST way you could handle that, and made many better coaches not WANT to be part of the search. It could have been easily handled much better, and done in a way that showed him the proper respect for all he accomplished which is still the best record since Neyland. With fans like you guys who needs Alabama to hate on....
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WELL SAID:thumbsup::salute:
 
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114VOL said:
Is pointing out a coach's shortcomings belittling him?

I hate it when someone questions my fandom as if they have the first damn clue as to what they're talking about.

I am a fan of the University of Tennessee, not the University of Fulmer
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The way you do it....yes.
 
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volfanecs said:
The way you do it....yes.
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the way you defend CPF kinda forces that. You refuse to see any shortcomings and act like he was the same coach in 1998 that he was in 2008. Anyone looking at it rationally can see that's clearly not the case
 
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utvolpj said:
the way you defend CPF kinda forces that. You refuse to see any shortcomings and act like he was the same coach in 1998 that he was in 2008. Anyone looking at it rationally can see that's clearly not the case
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Watch it. They are pulling fan cards for such blasphemy.
 
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volfanecs said:
The way you do it....yes.
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Stating facts about the 2002-2008 stretch? Stating facts about the huge talent and depth discrepancies between the 1992 team and the 2008 team? Commenting on the fact that no BCS big six school wanted him for their HC opening?

I've never disparaged him personally, so I don't understand.
 
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volfanecs said:
How many times? He did NOT leave.
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Neither did Majors. Doesn't matter if he left voluntarily or was forced out. Why do you keep bringing that up as if it is relevant? The 1992 team that Majors left Fulmer was far and away better than the 2008 team that Fulmer left Kiffin. That's pretty solid evidence that Coach Fulmer didn't have a propensity for rebuilding teams. It's also very damning evidence that he got complacent and comfortable in his position. It has happened to a lot of coaches that have attained quick success. It's not a personality defect. It's a shortcoming of his ability as a head football coach.

You haven't been around or played any athletic sports have you? Have you ever been associated with intercollegiate sports as a player or administrator?

As an alumnus, former letterman and huge fan, I have a right to point out THFC's shortcomings
 
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114VOL said:
Neither did Majors. Doesn't matter if he left voluntarily or was forced out. Why do you keep bringing that up as if it is relevant? The 1992 team that Majors left Fulmer was far and away better than the 2008 team that Fulmer left Kiffin. That's pretty solid evidence that Coach Fulmer didn't have a propensity for rebuilding teams. It's also very damning evidence that he got complacent and comfortable in his position. It has happened to a lot of coaches that have attained quick success. It's not a personality defect. It's a shortcoming of his ability as a head football coach.

You haven't been around or played any athletic sports have you? Have you ever been associated with intercollegiate sports as a player or administrator?
As an alumnus, former letterman and huge fan, I have a right to point out THFC's shortcomings
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Yes I have. Former student and my Uncle was the former Dean of the College of Medicine.
 
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utvolpj said:
the way you defend CPF kinda forces that. You refuse to see any shortcomings and act like he was the same coach in 1998 that he was in 2008. Anyone looking at it rationally can see that's clearly not the case
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Wouldn't you say it is both sides. You have one side that is not going to allow any praise of Coach Fulmer and on the other side those who will die defending Coach Fulmer.

It's really sad. Personally I think Majors and Fulmer were both done dirty. Both situations could have been handled better.

To the Fulmer side let it go there are always going to be people that don't like Fulmer. His record speaks for itself.

To the other guys. No matter how much you hate Fulmer for what happen at the end he gave us a NC that deserves a break. He's not coaching anymore so give the guy a break. He will have fans allow them to enjoy themselves ... what does it really matter?

BTW Football starts in 8 days and Butch Jones is our coach.:yahoo:
 
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114VOL said:
I see it differently.
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You have a way to travel to an alternate universe where we kept Fulmer and saw that he couldn't do it? I mean, come on, you talk about not competing for SEC championships, but he did just the year before. There's no proof that he wouldn't have been able to fix it. Now that's a fact.
 
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Big_Orange_Fan said:
Wouldn't you say it is both sides. You have one side that is not going to allow any praise of Coach Fulmer and on the other side those who will die defending Coach Fulmer.

It's really sad. Personally I think Majors and Fulmer were both done dirty. Both situations could have been handled better.

To the Fulmer side let it go there are always going to be people that don't like Fulmer. His record speaks for itself.

To the other guys. No matter how much you hate Fulmer for what happen at the end he gave us a NC that deserves a break. He's not coaching anymore so give the guy a break. He will have fans allow them to enjoy themselves ... what does it really matter?

BTW Football starts in 8 days and Butch Jones is our coach.:yahoo:
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You're ABSOLUTELY wrong. It's not an either/or situation. That's the problem with so many of our fans. Too many people think in absolute extremes. I have praised Coach Fulmer often for his performance the first half of his tenure. It's the last half where the red flags started popping like daisies on The Hill. Too much evidence to the contrary to give him praise for the period of -2002-2008.
 
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114VOL said:
You're ABSOLUTELY wrong. It's not an either/or situation. That's the problem with so many of our fans. Too many people think in absolute extremes. I have praised Coach Fulmer often for his performance the first half of his tenure. It's the last half where the red flags started popping like daisies on The Hill. Too much evidence to the contrary to give him praise for the period of -2002-2008.
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Who cares?

Did someone appoint you the Vol police?

Let them be a fan anyway they see fit if it makes them smile.
 
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whobethis16 said:
You have a way to travel to an alternate universe where we kept Fulmer and saw that he couldn't do it? I mean, come on, you talk about not competing for SEC championships, but he did just the year before. There's no proof that he wouldn't have been able to fix it. Now that's a fact.
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We won the SEC east. So what? We weren't good enough to garner a BCS invitation which means we were irrelevant nationally. We lost 59-20 and 41-17 to Florida and Alabama, yet you're boasting like we were some kind of powerhouse. We won our bowl game and where did we finish in the final polls? 14. IF it were really fixed, we wouldn't have struggle so badly the next year.

In seven years, it never got fixed. That's all the proof I need. BTW, it's all the proof the decision makers needed. It

BTW, I asked about intercollegiate competition or the administration of athletics. There's no way you have an informed perspective or you would know better than to ignorantly claim that Fulmer got it fixed
 
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114VOL said:
I am the one being questioned as to my fandom. I have never questioned anyone else's fan qualifications.
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I don't think anyone is really questioning your fan qualifications. I think you have two side of a debate that will never end and both side are slinging insults. I think everyone should take a step back and realize that this great University has a long history that not everyone is going to see things the same. As fans we should have enough respect for each other that we allow them to celebrate any part of that history. If it makes them happy then so be it.

Now if we are pointing out facts that's cool. I have met many awesome fans that know more than myself. My mother-in-law is the biggest fan I know and has some great stories.

When it gets going on like this thread and a few others it's just time to let it go. It really becomes sad and destructive. It is not doing anything for uniting a fan base that has been through hell.
 
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Big_Orange_Fan said:
I don't think anyone is really questioning your fan qualifications. I think you have two side of a debate that will never end and both side are slinging insults. I think everyone should take a step back and realize that this great University has a long history that not everyone is going to see things the same. As fans we should have enough respect for each other that we allow them to celebrate any part of that history. If it makes them happy then so be it.

Now if we are pointing out facts that's cool. I have met many awesome fans that know more than myself. My mother-in-law is the biggest fan I know and has some great stories.

When it gets going on like this thread and a few others it's just time to let it go. It really becomes sad and destructive. It is not doing anything for uniting a fan base that has been through hell.
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I agree and you have put into a great perspective. The problem is, I am not going to sit back and watch CPF being attacked and me personally insulted without answering.
 
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114VOL said:
Neither did Majors. Doesn't matter if he left voluntarily or was forced out. Why do you keep bringing that up as if it is relevant? The 1992 team that Majors left Fulmer was far and away better than the 2008 team that Fulmer left Kiffin. That's pretty solid evidence that Coach Fulmer didn't have a propensity for rebuilding teams. It's also very damning evidence that he got complacent and comfortable in his position. It has happened to a lot of coaches that have attained quick success. It's not a personality defect. It's a shortcoming of his ability as a head football coach.

You haven't been around or played any athletic sports have you? Have you ever been associated with intercollegiate sports as a player or administrator?

As an alumnus, former letterman and huge fan, I have a right to point out THFC's shortcomings
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I was not blessed with that. However, I did march 4 years in the Pride (2006-09) so I have been around it plenty, I am an alum, and I'm also a huge fan. Does that give my the right to point out your shortcomings? And by that philosophy, I guess Fulmer's opinion about the football coach trumps yours since he is an alum, letterman, championship winning, and Hall of Fame coach, right?
 
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