Thanks, Coach Fulmer.

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whobethis16 said:
Wow. You consider Miami a rival win they've played three times. AND you consider Cal a rival when they've played 4 times. Well, let's call Penn State and Nebraska rivals. Or Western Kentucky. We've played them that many times.
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As unappreciative as some are of our great years and CPF our fan base deserves to continue to languish in hard times.
 
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114VOL said:
The frequent embarrassing blowout losses to most of our biggest rivals from 2002-2008 are nothing but fact
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Well, now. Fact-Fulmer HOF Coach....Fulmer 2nd in winning behind Neyland....Fact....Fulmer and company brought home the hardware.....Fact....We only have one big rival and it ain't Floriduh.
 
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114VOL said:
I know several guys that played for him. They all love him. I've gone on the record on numerous occasions about his affability and loyalty. The reason it is such a sensitive topic for some and people get so emotional defending his record is because he was so much more genuinely likable than Majors. That's not the context of this debate though. it is about his performance as head coach over the last 7-8 years of his tenure. This is about his coaching as far as I am concerned. I won't debate he's a great guy and loves the university, although he doesn't love it anymore than Johnny. Him being a nicer guy doesn't mean he is more Vol than Johnny either.
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i dont pretend to be a balls out donor. i know johnny on a business level. he's OG too mayn.

good dude.

agreed. however some woukd contend that despite nauseating record that led to k%#^n hire and doolsuck was bred under mike hamilton's tutelage. and yes phil is open for apt criticism. but, id also contend that had he been given a chance hed have posted a richt-esque type resume over these last few years.

however everything happens for a reason and meow we have the butch.
 
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those that doubt fulmer should go back and watch video of him behind the scenes. my man is all vfl. gave his all boys. period
 
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ugahater1 said:
those that doubt fulmer should go back and watch video of him behind the scenes. my man is all vfl. gave his all boys. period
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Doubt what? I know he is VFL. That's great and for that he should always be admired. That still doesn't give him untouchable status as coach. Especially when the program trended downward and we were getting blown out far too often both at home and on the road. There was no evidence he could turn it around due to the FACT he hadn't done it before. Also, you have to look at the roster he inherited in 1992 vs the one he left in 2008. That is some pretty strong evidence of his complacency and comfort.

AT UT it is not ok to not be able to defend your home field against your biggest rivals.
 
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114VOL said:
Doubt what? I know he is VFL. That's great and for that he should always be admired. That still doesn't give him untouchable status as coach. Especially when the program trended downward and we were getting blown out far too often both at home and on the road. There was no evidence he could turn it around due to the FACT he hadn't done it before. Also, you have to look at the roster he inherited in 1992 vs the one he left in 2008. That is some pretty strong evidence of his complacency and comfort.

AT UT it is not ok to not be able to defend your home field against your biggest rivals.
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Ok, after a 5-6 season, he goes 9-3 regular season, goes to a bowl. Year after, he goes 9-3 and goes to the SECCG and another bowl. Year after that, if at least done correctly, he goes 6-6 and another bowl game. Now, I know 6-6 isn't good. However, to say he couldn't turn it around is asinine. Because he wasn't really given a chance to turn it around.

Note: since you consider Cal a "national rival" he certainly did a good job defending his home field against them.
 
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114VOL said:
Doubt what? I know he is VFL. That's great and for that he should always be admired. That still doesn't give him untouchable status as coach. Especially when the program trended downward and we were getting blown out far too often both at home and on the road. There was no evidence he could turn it around due to the FACT he hadn't done it before. Also, you have to look at the roster he inherited in 1992 vs the one he left in 2008. That is some pretty strong evidence of his complacency and comfort.

AT UT it is not ok to not be able to defend your home field against your biggest rivals.
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And there's the FACT that there is no proof he couldn't turn it around because he hadn't had to do it.
 
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114VOL said:
Doubt what? I know he is VFL. That's great and for that he should always be admired. That still doesn't give him untouchable status as coach. Especially when the program trended downward and we were getting blown out far too often both at home and on the road. There was no evidence he could turn it around due to the FACT he hadn't done it before. Also, you have to look at the roster he inherited in 1992 vs the one he left in 2008. That is some pretty strong evidence of his complacency and comfort.

AT UT it is not ok to not be able to defend your home field against your biggest rivals.
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And 6 of his players went in the NFL draft in 2010, so he left some damn good talent.
 
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Slydell said:
Well, now. Fact-Fulmer HOF Coach....Fulmer 2nd in winning behind Neyland....Fact....Fulmer and company brought home the hardware.....Fact....We only have one big rival and it ain't Floriduh.
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Last 20 = 4-16 vs UF. Couple wins during the Zook period.

He was a HOF coach in the late 90's and possibly count 2000-2001. After that. Not so much.
 
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I'm long tired of the endless Fulmer debate but as far as admissions of complacency and responsibility for losses go, that was a pretty damn weak one. Better than nothing I suppose.
 
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114VOL said:
Fulmer isn't our coach anymore. His firing was justified.
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Bull ******* SH***

If it was his time to go then he should have been allowed to finish the season. It is NEVER, EVER justified to take a coach that had given their program even half of what Fulmer did and fire him mid season, like some sort of criminal coach caught in illicit activity. That's not just a "my opinion" or a Fulmer fan opinion, that was the consensus of just about every coach across the nation, talk went on across sports media at just how rotten it was to treat him that way. That we are still arguing about this shows the divisiveness among fans over that act. It was absolutely the WORST way you could handle that, and made many better coaches not WANT to be part of the search. It could have been easily handled much better, and done in a way that showed him the proper respect for all he accomplished which is still the best record since Neyland. With fans like you guys who needs Alabama to hate on....
 
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114VOL said:
Doubt what? I know he is VFL. That's great and for that he should always be admired. That still doesn't give him untouchable status as coach. Especially when the program trended downward and we were getting blown out far too often both at home and on the road. There was no evidence he could turn it around due to the FACT he hadn't done it before. Also, you have to look at the roster he inherited in 1992 vs the one he left in 2008. That is some pretty strong evidence of his complacency and comfort.

AT UT it is not ok to not be able to defend your home field against your biggest rivals.
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How many times? He did NOT leave.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Last 20 = 4-16 vs UF. Couple wins during the Zook period.

He was a HOF coach in the late 90's and possibly count 2000-2001. After that. Not so much.
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Phil Fulmer morphed into Phil Failure.

Similar to Cut at Ole Miss. Everybody knew he was going to suck when he lost Eli Manning, and they were right.

Fulmer was great when the SEC only had one great coach in Spurrier (who owned Phil). They upgraded, Phil didn't.
 
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