That's racist!

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FLVOL_79 said:
Loitering. Look it up dude. Sitting, standing, floating, lying down, etc, doesn't matter.

How do I know they didnt tell the employees they were waiting? How do you know they did? They were asked to order. They said no. They were asked to leave. They refused. Cops came. They didn't get arrested. - POC Supervisor statements.

Maybe they should work on polishing their social skills next time in a public place?...unless you know that tramples the image they were trying to roll with.
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They were not being accused of loitering, but rather trespassing. Big difference. One implies just being somewhere for a long period of time, the other implies that they didn't belong there to begin with. I'll let you figure out the rest.

Also, technically, they were arrested but released when they realized no crime had been committed. Since both trespassing and loitering are considered crimes, why were they exonerated if they're as guilty as you say they are?

The image they're trying to roll with? Like they can really help that they're black. Come on, really? :banghead2:
 
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vol445 said:
It use to be the only reason you called the police was over an emergency.
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Nah. Plenty of "suspicious" person/vehicle/etc calls that aren't technically emergencies. Trespassing is not normally an emergency. Noise complaints, fender benders, cat in a tree, gerbil in a, well, you get the picture.


Ive called the cops 3 times in my life. Twice for someone driving down the interstate the wrong way here in Orlando..yeah..emergency..and some house had their quinceanera blowout on a week day and I could hear their music like it was in my back yard..and they were 3 blocks away..
 
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Matt2496 said:
They were not being accused of loitering, but rather trespassing. Big difference. One implies just being somewhere for a long period of time, the other implies that they didn't belong there to begin with. I'll let you add up 2+2.

Also, technically, they were arrested but released when they realized no crime had been committed. Since both trespassing and loitering are considered crimes, why were they exonerated if they're as guilty as you say they are?

The image they're trying to roll with? Like they can really help that they're black. Come on, really? :banghead2:
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I'm not a lawyer but I would wager a tide pod that loitering is often the precursor to trespassing..

They were loitering..when asked to leave and refuse I believe thats when it becomes trespassing.

And their tough guy image............is what I meant. Gotta act hard at all costs..Do you like live in Northern Iowa?

Guess I am desensitized living in such a racially diverse city and watching the local news.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
In most urban environments afflicted with large populations of socioeconomically disenfranchised people what normally would be an unlocked restroom in a business is often locked. Some places even charge you to use the restroom. I've seen locks on bathroom doors in Burger Kings in California..had to pay 25 cents to open it. Deters the homeless and millennials.
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Yeah, makes sense. I've seen it when traveling, at gas stations, convenience stores, etc. Some of which have a "no pay, no pee" rule.

So...funny story, sort of. Just showing you how even a cop can be a bit of a "nonconformist" under the right circumstances: Last year we're traveling to visit family in PA. We're on some state route in WV, and I'm 3 hours and a couple of big coffees since my last head call, so we pull into this gas station to fill up and use the bathroom. I'm about to bust, so I go in and ask where the restrooms are. The lady at the counter says "You have to buy something to get the key." I tell her that I am going to fill up my tank (we're parked at the pump), but I need to pee first. She gives me the same answer again. By now I'm practically doing the Snoopy Dance, but I'm also pissed, so I say "No worries, Ma'am...I'll just pi** at the pump while I'm filling up."

She hands me the key. $56 in gas just to take a leak in a bathroom that looked like it hadn't been cleaned since Eisenhower got elected.

Maybe that's how they roll in Philly, ya think?
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Yeah, makes sense. I've seen it when traveling, at gas stations, convenience stores, etc. Some of which have a "no pay, no pee" rule.

So...funny story, sort of. Just showing you how even a cop can be a bit of a "nonconformist" under the right circumstances: Last year we're traveling to visit family in PA. We're on some state route in WV, and I'm 3 hours and a couple of big coffees since my last head call, so we pull into this gas station to fill up and use the bathroom. I'm about to bust, so I go in and ask where the restrooms are. The lady at the counter says "You have to buy something to get the key." I tell her that I am going to fill up my tank (we're parked at the pump), but I need to pee first. She gives me the same answer again. By now I'm practically doing the Snoopy Dance, but I'm also pissed, so I say "No worries, Ma'am...I'll just pi** at the pump while I'm filling up."

She hands me the key. $56 in gas just to take a leak in a bathroom that looked like it hadn't been cleaned since Eisenhower got elected.

Maybe that's how they roll in Philly, ya think?
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I hope you called her a racist!

Yeah I had to piss at a BK in downtown San Fran and the Chinese people working the registers who didn't speak English were yelling at me because I asked for change to open their pisser. Weird, weird place.
 
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TennTom said:
So you were accused of loitering? I've never been told to leave a place when explaining that I was waiting for someone. It isn't the policy of chain establishments to handle things like this. If you were a victim of overt racism, you'd probably be a little defiant too.
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No.
Defiance is how you get arrested.
If you’re a victim of racism in 2018 you go through the home office and get people fired.
 
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Mick said:
Holy hell. We agree.
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Sort of.
There are still stupid people around.
Where we differ appears to be on how you deal with them. Getting arrested didn’t change things anymore than a later complaint would have.
The dumbass at the countertop is likely racist but I am sure upper management isn’t
 
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TennTom said:
Well, the CEO has already said how wrong their employees were. That should be sufficient enough to understand for a even a bull-headed racist.
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I thought the initial article stated that Starbucks doesn’t allow people to use the restroom or tables without purchases.
 
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Guys it just hit me we are looking at this wrong. Starbucks wasn’t scared cause of color they were scared because they thought they were attorneys
 
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Chick-fil-A’s Creepy Infiltration of New York City | The New Yorker

I don't know if is this belongs here or not, but The New Yorker put out a hit piece on Chick Fil-A and it’s Christian values infiltration of New York City. These are the hills that liberals continue to decide to die on and lose elections. How many damn Palestinian Chicken restaurants are in or around Manhattan? How many Crucifixes are in Italian restaurants on Mulberry St in Little Italy? How many Kosher delis are there in the city? Nobody gives a damn or would ever disparage them, but let’s not give up Manhattan to Chick Fil-A without a fight.
 
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hog88 said:
I thought the initial article stated that Starbucks doesn’t allow people to use the restroom or tables without purchases.
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Starbucks official policy released in 2009. Sorry to hurt you rube's feelings.

"We strive to create a welcoming environment for all of our customers. We do not have any time limits for being in our stores, and continue to focus on making the Third Place experience for every Starbucks customer."
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utvols88 said:
If this location is consistent with all races, it's not racist. You really need to chill until questions can be asked. Asking it, is fair. Deeming it racist on the limited first reaction info is foolish.

So far, the cops weren't racist, the kids were indeed loitering and asked to leave but didn't. Now if we find out that this location is strict on non-patrons using facilities and sitting space as an overall rule, will you change your tune?
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Philadelphia Starbucks arrests: What a witness says happened


According to a witness they were never asked to leave by a manager. They asked to use the restroom and were denied because they didnt buy anything. They sat back down to wait for their friend and were arrested.
 
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k-town_king said:
So an eyewitness statement is unreliable, but we should listen to a guy who wasn't there who has a vested interest in making his guys look good?
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Gtfoh. :eek:lol:
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Eyewitnesses are worthless. Remember all the lies they told with the Michael Brown case? Lmao

Also, this police chief actually had something to say regarding what happened. We found out what happened. Weird.
 
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I think they should close that particular store. People might have to walk all the way across the street to find another one though.
 
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"We strive to create a welcoming environment for all of our customers. We do not have any time limits for being in our stores, and continue to focus on making the Third Place experience for every Starbucks customer."

:eek:lol:

Priceless. Shame it doesn't include cops. Yes, they did. Go do some googling.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Eyewitnesses are worthless. Remember all the lies they told with the Michael Brown case? Lmao

Also, this police chief actually had something to say regarding what happened. We found out what happened. Weird.
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That's funny, I could have sworn that eyewitness testimonies are used in courtrooms all over America, every hour of every day. Stupid AF comment, but no surprise coming from you.

The white mayor of Philly doesn't help your dumb argument either.

I am heartbroken to see Philadelphia in the headlines for an incident that — at least based on what we know at this point — appears to exemplify what racial discrimination looks like in 2018.
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