That's racist!

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TNVOLNAVY said:
Black on white hate crime epidemic continues ...


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WHAT I CAN TEACH YOU
ABOUT RACISM
Let me tell you how my story ends: I become a tenured, award-winning professor of political science at an Ivy League university, and then at one of the leading universities in the South.
Now let me tell you how my story begins: I grow up in rural Virginia, literally dirt poor. I drop out of school in the eighth grade and have three children by the time I'm 20.
I consider myself to be a reasonably modest person, but even I have to admit that's quite a journey.
How did I do it?
I worked hard. Not crazy, 24/7 hard—just hard. I made good decisions. Not brilliant, three-dimensional-chess decisions—just good ones. I met people along the way who helped me and sincerely wanted to see me succeed—not because they had something to gain, but because they were decent people. Almost all of these individuals, by the way, were white.
But mostly, I think I was blessed in one crucial way: I was born in America, a true land of opportunity for anyone of any color or background. In this country, where you start your life does not determine where you end up.
That works in both directions, by the way. You can start out with every advantage and waste them all. Or you can start out with nothing and become a success. It all depends on you. Your attitude is far more important than your race, gender, or social class in determining what you will accomplish in life.
When I hear young blacks—or anyone, for that matter—talk about systemic racism, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I want to laugh because it's such nonsense. I want to cry because I know it's pushing untold numbers of young blacks into a dead end of self-pity and despair. Instead of seizing the amazing opportunities America offers them, they seize an excuse to explain why they're not succeeding.
I was born into a world where systemic racism was real—no-fooling, outright-bigotry, back-of-the-bus real. But here's what you need to know: Yes, that racism shaped the black experience—but even then, it did not define it. Change was in the air. Call it systemic reform.
The modern Civil Rights Movement was in its infancy, and the leaders who fought for equal rights for blacks were men and women of all races. They believed in America and were determined to see it live up to its highest ideals—ideals manifest in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution.
Did I know, growing up, that George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned slaves? I don't think I ever thought about it. If I did, I'd like to think that I would have had enough common sense to know that we can't judge men who lived 250 years ago by the moral standards of our own day.
But I know that Jefferson wrote the words in the Declaration of Independence that made slavery ultimately impossible: that all men are created equal. And I know that Washington, Hamilton, Franklin, Adams and the rest of the Founders risked everything to make my world, my America, possible. How could I not be grateful for that and for the sacrifices so many others have made to preserve it?
The truth is I cannot remember a time when I did not love America and feel pride in the belief that I live in the greatest country in the world. I knew if I diligently pursued my ambitions, I could leave the poverty of my early years, with all its abuse and depression, behind me.
I was fortunate in another way. I was spared the life-sapping, negative messages about America that are crippling a generation of young people. These ideas are poison:
☆ White privilege.
☆ Whiteness as a form of property.
☆ Unconscious racism.
☆ Reparations.
☆ Microaggressions.
☆ Police have it out for blacks.
☆ That the United States was created to protect and promote slavery.
These are the ideas young people are told they must accept. And then they're told to reject the ideas that can save them—the antidote: the success principles that enabled me and millions of other Americans to escape lives of poverty.
These principles aren't complicated: work hard, learn from your mistakes, take personal responsibility for your actions. When I made the decisions to get my high school equivalency, attend a community college, and then earn four additional college and university degrees, I believed that my education would open doors. And it did.
It was only when exposed to academic theories of oppression in graduate school that I was informed that because I was black, poor, and female, I could never do what I had already accomplished.
Thank God, it was too late for these toxic messages to stop me. Don't let them stop you.
—Carol Swain
 
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Boston Vol said:
No, you answer my question first. How am I a bigot? I find it amusing that you toss out terms like that simply because I got under your skin by calling you a troll. So it seems, like I previously said, that you have no idea what that term actually means.
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Vol737 said:
Do you? Sure sounds like it’s you. “Someone intolerant toward those holding different opinions; Prejudiced or antagonistic toward those on a basis of their membership to particular groups”. ??? I’m guessing your answer was, “yeah, anyone white that doesn’t believe like I do!”
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Here you go BV. See bolded.

I am very tolerant unless you are blatantly racist @ 373. If not, I’d have been banned long ago.
 
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BayVol7 said:
Here you go BV. See bolded.

I am very tolerant unless you are blatantly racist @ 373. If not, I’d have been banned long ago.
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You still won’t answer my question. How am I a bigot? If you think that calling someone a troll makes them a bigot, then no you don’t understand the definition of bigot.
 
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Weezer said:
You are dense. That's not what was said. I said cases like that, and there have been many, have robbed the accusation of racism of the ugly sting that should come with actual racism. The term "racist" is thrown around too casually. You've clearly demonstrated that in this thread.

Even a case like George Floyd, was that racism? Or was that a bad cop going too far with someone who resisted arrest. Make no mistake, I'm on the side George Floyd did not deserve to die and that police officer should be punished, but was it racism? If Floyd had not resisted arrest, would he still be alive? Breonna Taylor, was that racism, or was it bad police work? It should never have happened, but did they break down her door because she was black?

People have to find common ground to build on and that's not going to be achieved by saying white people should feel guilt over crimes they never committed, or that they somehow owe POC anything other than to treat them with respect, and to treat them as equals.

The real focus that should have come out of so much of this is a drastic need for police reform.
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Your reasoning here is dense actually. That was my point.

I’d argue there were racial undertones at work in both murders referenced.

The common ground is acknowledging racism and oppression still exists towards black people. From there we can get to the solutions.
 
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Boston Vol said:
You still won’t answer my question. How am I a bigot? If you think that calling someone a troll makes them a bigot, then no you don’t understand the definition of bigot.
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No, telling people to ignore my attempts at convo is why I called you a bigot.
 
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volinbham said:
kinda what I figured

but let's go with it - so in an African country black people who are prejudiced are also racist? Same in an Asian country or in India or Pakistan or South America?
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The answer depends on the racial make up of the individual countries and the races at issue.
 
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BayVol7 said:
Your reasoning here is dense actually. That was my point.

I’d argue there were racial undertones at work in both murders referenced.

The common ground is acknowledging racism and oppression still exists towards black people. From there we can get to the solutions.
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What are the undertones? This isn't a discussion on the spiritual, please "manifest" the undertones you are referencing. Then we can have an honest discussion on the topic.
 
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BayVol7 said:
The answer depends on the racial make up of the individual countries and the races at issue.
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I purposely chose countries with majorities other than white. So in an African country with a racial majority of black people can that majority be racist towards other races? Likewise in countries with majorities of Hispanic or Asian or Persian etc.
 
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volinbham said:
I purposely chose countries with majorities other than white. So in an African country with a racial majority of black people can that majority be racist towards other races? Likewise in countries with majorities of Hispanic or Asian or Persian etc.
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Africa has 54 countries hence my answer.
The majority race can always be racist toward other races. The history of the country also matters btw.
 
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BayVol7 said:
Because I acknowledge racism is still prevalent? Interesting 😳
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Racism still exists but it is not as prevalent as you think it is....everyone should fight against overt racism which I do but if we have to discuss whether racism happened or not then it is not is not worth our time.... people that seek out racism constantly is doing nothing but keeping people divided and it needs to stop.
 
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KB5252 said:
What are the undertones? This isn't a discussion on the spiritual, please "manifest" the undertones you are referencing. Then we can have an honest discussion on the topic.
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Can you say for sure that Mr. Floyd would have been murdered if he were white?
Do you know the history of no-knock warrants in this country?
 
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