That's racist!

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SamRebel35 said:
Identity is a very powerful thing that people will risk their lives to defend. I really don't know how you break people of defending their identity as "oppressed person of color". They may think of themselves as "oppressed" (which I probably wouldn't agree with), and are subconsciously identifying with a larger group of people with similar ideals and are likely very willing to stay in that identity group. If you blow up that narrative, they essentially lose their identity. So I can't see it working to simply switch the narrative, it has to be a long and painful evolution of the narrative. How you do that from the outside? Seems impossible. That's why I've always maintained the following: "To a black oppressed identity group member: Whether you think white people are to blame for your condition or not, White people can't be the ones to fix it for you. As individuals, you are all responsible for the actions you take in your own individual lives." Sounds heartless, but it is the reality. White people can't fix the black community. They simply can't. And all the woke white guilt types need to quit pretending that they are the protectors of the black community. All you are doing is validating their victimhood and preventing them from evolving their narrative.
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You’re 100% correct. This is where personal responsibility has to come into play.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
You’re 100% correct. This is where personal responsibility has to come into play.
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Parents have to be willing to teach their children personal responsibility. There could be a whole book written on the importance of the responsible family aspect. I would be here all day.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Identity is a very powerful thing that people will risk their lives to defend. I really don't know how you break people of defending their identity as "oppressed person of color". They may think of themselves as "oppressed" (which I probably wouldn't agree with), and are subconsciously identifying with a larger group of people with similar ideals and are likely very willing to stay in that identity group. If you blow up that narrative, they essentially lose their identity. So I can't see it working to simply switch the narrative, it has to be a long and painful evolution of the narrative. How you do that from the outside? Seems impossible. That's why I've always maintained the following: "To a black oppressed identity group member: Whether you think white people are to blame for your condition or not, White people can't be the ones to fix it for you. As individuals, you are all responsible for the actions you take in your own individual lives." Sounds heartless, but it is the reality. White people can't fix the black community. They simply can't. And all the woke white guilt types need to quit pretending that they are the protectors of the black community. All you are doing is validating their victimhood and preventing them from evolving their narrative.
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It is going to take all of us to continue to make change
 
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volinbham said:
ask that of yourself perhaps?
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I attempt to have honest conversations here. I am open-minded and try to engage in civil back-in-forths. I only attack when provoked.

I also call it like I see it and make no apologies for calling out racism and ignorance. I am definitely open-minded because in order to educate I very much believe you have to be willing to be educated.
 
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BayVol7 said:
I attempt to have honest conversations here. I am open-minded and try to engage in civil back-in-forths. I only attack when provoked.

I also call it like I see it and make no apologies for calling out racism and ignorance. I am definitely open-minded because in order to educate I very much believe you have to be willing to be educated.
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Are you saying you're a teacher? Like in schools?
 
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Carl Pickens said:
But the law itself isn’t….. right? It has nothing to do with verifying who’s voting
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volinbham said:
case in point about empathy - you are assuming bad intentions from others
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I’m sorry, did they ever find any proof of widespread voter fraud?

I can definitely argue that a law made with discriminatory intent is a discriminatory law.
 
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BayVol7 said:
I attempt to have honest conversations here. I am open-minded and try to engage in civil back-in-forths. I only attack when provoked.

I also call it like I see it and make no apologies for calling out racism and ignorance. I am definitely open-minded because in order to educate I very much believe you have to be willing to be educated.
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I'd take issue with your self assessment of open mindedness. You level the close-minded charge regularly yet I can't recall you ever conceding a point to someone with a different view than you. Just because you see it a certain way doesn't make it truth and the very definition of being open-minded is recognizing that.
 
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BayVol7 said:
I’m sorry, did they ever find any proof of widespread voter fraud?

I can definitely argue that a law made with discriminatory intent is a discriminatory law.
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between 75 and 80% of people support voter id laws - hard to ascribe them as either discriminatory in intent or gaslighted by those that convinced them to support voter id.

the simpler explanation is that their intentions are legit and not grounded in discrimination.

yet another example of the "open-minded" issue.
 
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volinbham said:
I'd take issue with your self assessment of open mindedness. You level the close-minded charge regularly yet I can't recall you ever conceding a point to someone with a different view than you. Just because you see it a certain way doesn't make it truth and the very definition of being open-minded is recognizing that.
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Trying to explain this to him/her is like

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volinbham said:
between 75 and 80% of people support voter id laws - hard to ascribe them as either discriminatory in intent or gaslighted by those that convinced them to support voter id.

the simpler explanation is that their intentions are legit and not grounded in discrimination.

yet another example of the "open-minded" issue.
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^But yet you are the one that rushed to the conclusion here.

Again, if there was no widespread fraud, what is the purpose? Who will the law affect most? Who is putting them in place?
 
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BayVol7 said:
^But yet you are the one that rushed to the conclusion here.

Again, if there was no widespread fraud, what is the purpose? Who will the law affect most? Who is putting them in place?
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not sure what I rushed to.

you are assigning a nefarious motive to an action without direct knowledge of intent. the vast majority of people support the action including those that are allegedly the victim yet you still hold that the motive is impure. that is a textbook case of being close-minded.

the purpose of the laws is to ensure voter integrity. the "widespread" is a nebulous qualifier in the concept of voter fraud. the citizenry largely supports this action for election integrity and your response (as one in the minority on this issue) is that they could only hold that position because they want to discriminate.

please spare us the lecture about your enlightenment vs almost everyone else's bad intent.
 
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