The American polity is cracked, and might collapse. Canada must prepare

[Vol8188]

I just got the impression from your comment that threatening to leave the republic was bad.

The reason matters. Are you threatening to leave the republic because they gave you more freedom or because they limited your freedom? That’s the difference you don’t seem to be seeing.

If the federal government continues to force absurd left wing policies onto right wing states, it makes sense to leave.

If the federal government gives power back to the states, and that’s why you’re leaving, you deserve to be mocked

 

[McDad]

You're saying because you perceive that we have a left-wing imbalance with cancel culture, then the dictatorship won't come from the right? I think that's non-sequitur.

I don't think either side is likely to produce a dictatorship anytime soon, but it seems much more feasible that it would come from the side that gets the most support from the military and LEO's, and whose voters are armed to the hilt.

Agreed. If this country devolves into armed takeover preceding dictatorship, the right is far better equipped to do so.

It will not happen, though.

 

[n_huffhines]

Funny.

Which area of the government is undergoing a political purge at the moment?

And which career path is continually undergoing a challenge and "defund" movement?

And which Constitutional Amendment is constantly under attack by left wing politicians?

So you see more lefties at the top of the military but I don't think the troops are going to follow them following Joe Biden, or whomever. I mean, you probably have a better idea than I do....are these leaders beloved by the regular GI Joes to the point that they'd switch political sides and contribute to overthrowing the constitution?

How successful are these defund campaigns? There isn't nearly enough support for defunding. Those people tried to take advantage of America at one of its most emotional moments, and still couldn't get enough support to do anything meaningful. You boys in blue are gonna be fine.

D politicians are constantly attacking 2a, but don't vote that much differently than the right. It's all parlor tricks for gaining support. It sounds pretty crazy to say that anti-gun people are in it for a long play to overthrow the constitution.

 

[hog88]

Ignore the fact that it was a dirty Canadian taking us to task. I mean, really I don't see how one can ignore it.

One can ignore it because it was completely one sided and wrong.

Change my mind.

 

[tvolsfan]

We can only hope...

The sad thing is many people actually think like this.

 

[hog88]

You're saying because you perceive that we have a left-wing imbalance with cancel culture, then the dictatorship won't come from the right? I think that's non-sequitur.

I don't think either side is likely to produce a dictatorship anytime soon, but it seems much more feasible that it would come from the side that gets the most support from the military and LEO's, and whose voters are armed to the hilt.

Those people don't want nor would support a dictatorship.

Well maybe a lot of the LEOs but they are seriously outnumbered.

 

[tvolsfan]

You're saying because you perceive that we have a left-wing imbalance with cancel culture, then the dictatorship won't come from the right? I think that's non-sequitur.

I don't think either side is likely to produce a dictatorship anytime soon, but it seems much more feasible that it would come from the side that gets the most support from the military and LEO's, and whose voters are armed to the hilt.

True, but I’m currently less concerned with the guns and more concerned with election conspiracy theories.

 

[0nelilreb]

I am vaccinated, getting my booster this week. I have never once, not once, said anyone should be vaccinated. Not once. I do not care to be honest with you. I did my thing, they can do their thing.

That’s a good way to lose your progressive liberal card making public statements like that . EL has probably called Pete’s office on you at least 3 times by now . One r for that , once for saying mean things about Canadians and once just out of jealousy.

 

[C-south]

Oh yeah, he's so spot on

When does the nazi comparison go away? It's in no way useful to any decent conversation

Canada is attempting to disarm their people.

 

[0nelilreb]

You're saying because you perceive that we have a left-wing imbalance with cancel culture, then the dictatorship won't come from the right? I think that's non-sequitur.

I don't think either side is likely to produce a dictatorship anytime soon, but it seems much more feasible that it would come from the side that gets the most support from the military and LEO's, and whose voters are armed to the hilt.

Disagree , it’s much more likely to come from a polite , sensitive , agreeable , highly educated , articulate very popular liberal eating away quietly out our rights with people nodding in approval because of their popularity and all under the guise of safety until they reach whatever goal they have and can show their true colors without fear . You eat the elephant one bite at a time , not with a scoop shovel .

 

[0nelilreb]

Canada is attempting to disarm their people.

I don’t think they are “ attempting” any longer .

 

[n_huffhines]

True, but I’m currently less concerned with the guns and more concerned with election conspiracy theories.

Those people don't want nor would support a dictatorship.

Well maybe a lot of the LEOs but they are seriously outnumbered.

This is the way that it would happen, if it did indeed happen. We saw it last election. If Trump had made a play with the military on the allegations that the election was stolen, it's possible that could swing enough support.

It's not happening because:

1) we're not very likely at all to see another Trump (and even he didn't take it that far)
2) the non-Trump circumstances last election put us all on a boiler moreso than other elections
3) the consequences of a failed play are scary, and it's super risky

 

[hog88]

This is the way that it would happen, if it did indeed happen. We saw it last election. If Trump had made a play with the military on the allegations that the election was stolen, it's possible that could swing enough support.

It's not happening because:

1) we're not very likely at all to see another Trump (and even he didn't take it that far)
2) the non-Trump circumstances last election put us all on a boiler moreso than other elections
3) the consequences of a failed play are scary, and it's super risky

No it wouldn't have. The rank and file would have honored their oath.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I'm not the dirty Canadian that wrote this. Liberal guy shares an article he agrees with, dear GOD!! I'm also not the guy that has ever, not one time, forced or advocated for forced vaccine mandates. I am the direct opposite of what you statists want. Humors me that people think their rights are being violated when they would turn right around and go out of their way to to legislate their morality to people.

Apologies that my response wasn’t clearer. I was responding to the original article, not meaning to cast dispersions on you in any shape or form.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

He couldn’t be more wrong. He’s a left wing hack.

I agree that we are running towards the cliff of collapse but the reason isn’t “right wing” zealots And it wouldn’t be a right wing dictator that would take over. That is nothing but a left wing dog whistle.

It’s simply because more than half the country is tired of centralized power in DC and whenever the power changes the party in power tries to ram their one size fits all solutions down the countries throat. The answer to keeping us together as a sovereign democratic republic is not increasing the power of the federal government but reducing it and transferring power back to the states.

I agree that a certain amount of this is necessary.

 

[n_huffhines]

No it wouldn't have. The rank and file would have honored their oath.

If they think the other side violated the constitution to win the election, than they could justify action as honoring their oath.

 

[Vol8188]

You're saying because you perceive that we have a left-wing imbalance with cancel culture, then the dictatorship won't come from the right? I think that's non-sequitur.

I don't think either side is likely to produce a dictatorship anytime soon, but it seems much more feasible that it would come from the side that gets the most support from the military and LEO's, and whose voters are armed to the hilt.

I think you’re falsely assuming a coup in 2022 would be done through military force or that it’s not already occurred.

Given the vast power left wing bureaucrats hold and how authoritarian they’ve behaved, it seems one could argue the coup has already happened.

If they were able to do some of the things they’ve wanted to do to expand their power (things I mentioned earlier such as packing the court), I think we’d all have to agree the coup was completed

 

[hog88]

If they think the other side violated the constitution to win the election, than they could justify action as honoring their oath.

No, that's not the way it would have worked.

 

[C-south]

He's right though...

Opinion: The American polity is cracked, and might collapse. Canada must prepare

Lol. This article is beyond idiotic. What an unbiased uber liberal perspective.

 

[n_huffhines]

I think you’re falsely assuming a coup in 2022 would be done through military force or that it’s not already occurred.

Given the vast power left wing bureaucrats hold and how authoritarian they’ve behaved, it seems one could argue the coup has already happened.

If they were able to do some of the things they’ve wanted to do to expand their power (things I mentioned earlier such as packing the court), I think we’d all have to agree the coup was completed

I think you're falsely assuming I said there would be a coup in 2022 through the military.

So we're all mocking the author for saying there will be a coup, and you're saying it already happened?

 

[tvolsfan]

This is the way that it would happen, if it did indeed happen. We saw it last election. If Trump had made a play with the military on the allegations that the election was stolen, it's possible that could swing enough support.

It's not happening because:

1) we're not very likely at all to see another Trump (and even he didn't take it that far)
2) the non-Trump circumstances last election put us all on a boiler moreso than other elections
3) the consequences of a failed play are scary, and it's super risky

I hope you’re right.

 

[Vol8188]

I think you're falsely assuming I said there would be a coup in 2022 through the military.

So we're all mocking the author for saying there will be a coup, and you're saying it already happened?

You never stated in 2022 specifically but you seem to indicate it would be through the force of LEO and military if it occurred. My point is that’s not how this war is being fought and it may already be lost

 

[85SugarVol]

Why did OP post the article? He hasn’t referenced one line yet.

 

[Grand Vol]

So you see more lefties at the top of the military but I don't think the troops are going to follow them following Joe Biden, or whomever. I mean, you probably have a better idea than I do....are these leaders beloved by the regular GI Joes to the point that they'd switch political sides and contribute to overthrowing the constitution?

How successful are these defund campaigns? There isn't nearly enough support for defunding. Those people tried to take advantage of America at one of its most emotional moments, and still couldn't get enough support to do anything meaningful. You boys in blue are gonna be fine.

D politicians are constantly attacking 2a, but don't vote that much differently than the right. It's all parlor tricks for gaining support. It sounds pretty crazy to say that anti-gun people are in it for a long play to overthrow the constitution.

The "purge" isn't just at the upper levels, it's the amount of latitude given to lower level commanders to determine "extremism" at the lower levels. Specifically:

DOD Issues Guidance on Plans to Counter Extremist Activity in the Force > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News

Kirby noted that a lot of latitude for interpreting what constitutes extremist activity will be left up to the local commanders who know their service members well and have their fingers on the pulse of what is going on in their units.

Now, the key in this whole thing is "extremist activity" and the complete and utter lack of a DoD definition of same. So, by merely attending a Trump rally for instance, one can be labeled as an "extremist" by their individual unit commander. The exact verbiage in the DoD Instruction that was just updated in December which I'll go through in portions:

(1) Extremist Activities. The term “extremist activities” means:

(a) Advocating or engaging in unlawful force, unlawful violence, or other illegal means to deprive individuals of their rights under the United States Constitution or the laws of the United States, including those of any State, Commonwealth, Territory, or the District of Columbia, or any political subdivision thereof.

Who defines "other illegal means" and does that include assemblies that are not "sanctioned" by the local government?

(b) Advocating or engaging in unlawful force or violence to achieve goals that are political, religious, discriminatory, or ideological in nature.

(c) Advocating, engaging in, or supporting terrorism, within the United States or abroad.

These are fairly clear cut and I have no argument with them.

(d) Advocating, engaging in, or supporting the overthrow of the government of the United States, or any political subdivision thereof, including that of any State, Commonwealth, Territory, or the District of Columbia, by force or violence; or seeking to alter the form of these governments by unconstitutional or other unlawful means (e.g., sedition).

Now, here's where it gets tricky. Some military members took part in the Trump rally on Jan 6th. Never entered the Capitol, just were a part of the rally. And got labeled "extremist" for just participating in the rally. Furthermore, the DOJ decided to cast a wide net over the fact a lot of veterans took part in the Jan 6th incident and decided to extrapolate that into active duty service members. Hence the "crackdown" on extremism in the military which, even though they deny it, has focused on right wing elements.

(e) Advocating or encouraging military, civilian, or contractor personnel within the DoD or United States Coast Guard to violate the laws of the United States, or any political subdivision thereof, including that of any State, Commonwealth, Territory, or the District of Columbia, or to disobey lawful orders or regulations, for the purpose of disrupting military activities (e,g., subversion), or personally undertaking the same

Don't have an issue with this here though it's generally already covered in the UCMJ and really didn't "need" to be included in the extremist definition. Which does make one wonder if the addition was allowing the military judicial system to use "extremism" as a cover all. E.G. Article 92 or 134 of the UCMJ (if you want an explanation, I'll arrange it)

(f) Advocating widespread unlawful discrimination based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex (including pregnancy), gender identity, or sexual orientation.

Now, this one is the real game changer. If I'm a military member and I take part in a "secure the border" rally or something along those lines, a unit commander can now technically look at this as "extremist activity" since the goal is discrimination based on "national origin" of the countless illegals pouring across the border. Or if I make the comment "transgenders shouldn't be allowed to serve" that now comes under "hate speech." Because when you make a DoD Instruction vague and allow a lower level unit commander to determine the extent of the definition, it's deliberate in it's design of being the catch all.

 

[C-south]

Why did OP post the article? He hasn’t referenced one line yet.

I think because he, luther, LG, and el collaborated on that propaganda.