The Andrew Wiggins Sweepstakes

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RDU VOL#14 said:
Good question. I don't have my crystal ball handy so I can't tell you what will happen. I think a lot depends on how successful Chris Collins is at Northwestern, and also if Dawkins can get it going at Stanford. I don't think it's any mistake that both coaches took jobs at private schools similar to Duke. If neither are successful, I guess you look at Brad Stevens. Whoever it is, I don't envy their position. Nobody ever wants to replace a legend. K could do it like Dean did with Guthridge and give Wojo a stacked squad for an interim season and then hopefully Duke doesn't make a complete mess of things with a Doherty kind of hire. Coach K has created a Duke brand that I believe will go on after K leaves. Honestly, UNC helps the Duke brand as well because the rivalry is so great.
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I agree with you. I think it will definitely be in-house. K has tried to create a family of sorts like Dean. I wouldn't count on Dawkins at Stanford though. We'll see how Collins does.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Truth. The collection of coaches in the ACC will be unreal. K, Roy, Pitino, Boeheim. That's 3 with multiple National Titles and another who probably should have multiple titles.
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I guess the one thing we can hang our hats on is the fact that we lose Maryland. I really hated to see them go, but good god! How's anybody supposed to catch back up with these powerhouses from other leagues now? At least we don't have to win our conference tournament anymore. haha!
 
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volprof said:
I guess the one thing we can hang our hats on is the fact that we lose Maryland. I really hated to see them go, but good god! How's anybody supposed to catch back up with these powerhouses from other leagues now? At least we don't have to win our conference tournament anymore. haha!
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Yeah no kidding.
 
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volprof said:
To his point, indeed it may very well. SEC bball has always been a joke. Only Florida has been a consistent competitor to Kentucky, but that's only been the last decade or so. I'm sure somebody can dig up something from 20 to 40 years ago about how another SEC team had a good run, but let's be honest with ourselves: there's no point in debating. Now the ACC gets to add Notre Dame, Lville, Cuse, and Pitt. Meanwhile, UK will run up their all-time win total, just like they always have.
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I was implying that UF will be better than UNC next season, but if you want to run with the generalization that ACC basketball > SEC basketball, then go ahead.

The SEC's basketball history is underrated, anyways. It's never the best league, but it's rarely the worst, either (this year being an exception). Kentucky is Kentucky, Arkansas has good history and had their run in the '90s, Florida has been consistently nationally relevant under Donovan, Alabama, Tennessee, and Missouri are all solid programs that just need the right coach to get over the hump, LSU has some history as well, and Vanderbilt has been solid under Stallings.

The ACC should definitely better going forward with the additions of Syracuse and Louisville, but the two conferences have been far closer over the past decade or so than most ACC fans would be willing to admit.
 
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I really don't know who UF has, but I doubt they will better. Patric Young? Their recruiting class is pretty good. We shall see. Are you the same guy that told me Joel Berry was a gator? Lol. I can't remember

And agreed RDU, it will be interesting to see how they choose to replace him. I'm sure there is a plan in place as you said.
 
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allvol_12 said:
I really don't know who UF has
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Probably should have ended your post there, lol.

Enjoy Berry. He'll be a good one for UNC (definitely better than Paige and Britt). We're fine at point guard moving forward, though. Wilbekin and Hill are both way better than any PG UNC currently has and both would start for most teams.
 
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I don't remember scotty being someone to be afraid of. Or anyone on the roster really. Paige was a freshman AA. But ok, we shall see. I'm not saying Carolina is a lock to do great thinks, but UF does not scare me.
 
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I really hope the next basketball coach comes from outside the Duke family. Brad Stevens is a much better choice than anyone associated with Duke at this point.

UNC and Florida should be in about the same range, but I think UNC will be better.
 
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I just glanced at the stats,UF loses their top three scorers, and Wilbekin posted the same numbers as Paige last year. Young is yeah... Nothing special.
 
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Wilbekin shot about 10% better from the field than Paige, averaged about 1 more point, and had a much better A/TO ratio. LOL at saying they posted the same numbers. That's only offensively... Wilbekin is one of the best on-ball defenders in the country.

Young is nothing special, but neither is JMM, so what's your point? They were both overrated coming out of high school.

We also have two transfers becoming eligible (Dorian Finney-Smith, Damontre Harris) along with our two five-stars coming in. Add those newcomers in with Young, Wilbekin, Michael Frazier, Will Yeguete, and Casey Prather, and I think we'll be fine.
 
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GatorsGators said:
Wilbekin shot about 10% better from the field than Paige, averaged about 1 more point, and had a much better A/TO ratio. LOL at saying they posted the same numbers. That's only offensively... Wilbekin is one of the best on-ball defenders in the country.

Young is nothing special, but neither is JMM, so what's your point? They were both overrated coming out of high school.

We also have two transfers becoming eligible (Dorian Finney-Smith, Damontre Harris) along with our two five-stars coming in. Add those newcomers in with Young, Wilbekin, Michael Frazier, Will Yeguete, and Casey Prather, and I think we'll be fine.
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Hairston is hands down the best returning player on either team, and if McAdoo makes the junior-year jump that I expect him to, he could easily be second. A lot depends on Kasey Hill's development for UF.
 
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VKAman said:
Hairston is hands down the best returning player on either team, and if McAdoo makes the junior-year jump that I expect him to, he could easily be second. A lot depends on Kasey Hill's development for UF.
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Disagree. Even if he struggles as a freshman we'll still have Wilbekin running the point and Frazier at SG. If he's as good as advertised then that's just a bonus. Either way, we'll have two very good point guards next season and how Donovan distributes minutes between the two will be interesting.

I think Finney-Smith is the key player for us next season. If he can be a reliable scorer for us at SF, then we'll have a chance to be elite. If not, then we could struggle to score in our halfcourt offense. We'll be more athletic than we've been in awhile, so we should run a lot more next season.

North Carolina was mediocre last season... Sometimes teams make the jump after a year of experience; sometimes they don't.
 
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GatorsGators said:
Disagree. Even if he struggles as a freshman we'll still have Wilbekin running the point and Frazier at SG. If he's as good as advertised then that's just a bonus. Either way, we'll have two very good point guards next season and how Donovan distributes minutes between the two will be interesting.

I think Finney-Smith is the key player for us next season. If he can be a reliable scorer for us at SF, then we'll have a chance to be elite. If not, then we could struggle to score in our halfcourt offense. We'll be more athletic than we've been in awhile, so we should run a lot more next season.

North Carolina was mediocre last season... Sometimes teams make the jump after a year of experience; sometimes they don't.
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Sorry, but a backcourt of Scottie Wilbekin and Michael Frazier isn't scaring anyone. Like I said, if Hill struggles, UNC would likely have the two best players on the court.
 
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allvol_12 said:
I just glanced at the stats,UF loses their top three scorers, and Wilbekin posted the same numbers as Paige last year. Young is yeah... Nothing special.
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Remember when UF lost Roberson, Walsh and David Lee after the '05 season?

The next two seasons after that were pretty rough. :thumbsup:
 
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VKAman said:
Sorry, but a backcourt of Scottie Wilbekin and Michael Frazier isn't scaring anyone. Like I said, if Hill struggles, UNC would likely have the two best players on the court.
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Hariston and... Who? JMM? Meh. He's not exactly scaring anyone, either.

Frazier shot very well as a freshman and has the potential to be a great spot-up shooter with more experience. Wilbekin is a very good point guard and a great on-ball defender. They may not scare you, but they'll beat you. That's even assuming Hill struggles (which he probably won't). Taurean Green and Lee Humphrey wasn't exactly a "scary" backcourt, either, but it was a damn good one.
 
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An imaginary match up with UNC should be the least of your worries looking ahead to next year. VK could care less about Carolina, but is giving a fair assessment of the two rosters. Paige shot nearly 50 % from 3 and played really well the second half of last year. Hairston averaged 18 and 5 as a starter. JMM has flaws, but the potential is there. You call him meh, but he averaged just 4 points less than your two returning leading scorers combined. Hence the two best players on the floor comment (Hairston and JMM). Carolina will also play at least 11 guys to start the year.
 
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You guys are having a debate over whether North Carolina or Florida has a better basketball team.

I'm claiming victory for Florida for simply being part of the discussion.
 
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JMM shot 45% from the field last season. For a big who doesn't shoot threes, that's pretty bad. Wilbekin, as a guard, was more efficient from the field than JMM. Paige improved throughout last season like freshman do, but still... Both Wilbekin and Hill > Paige.

North Carolina has more proven "production" but that production got them an 8 seed last season. A year of experience may or may not make the difference for them this season. Florida has less proven "production," but far more potential imo.
 
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Bring the little kitty cats on even with wigg we will beat them they will have the talent and we will have the basketball IQ.
 
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Wilbekin with an efficient 9 ppg... That's your argument? Ok. We will have to disagree about the potential, because Carolina' season will hinge on a big man opposite of JMM stepping up. There is plenty of potential there. But I'm done.
 
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