The Andrew Wiggins Sweepstakes

#151
#151
005 said:
calipari there but hating on williams is fun.

top four is the same as mine would be, probs. And I like Donavan a good amount. Matta annoys me but that is probably more tOSU than his coaching ability.
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Cal is the epitome of his argument, but that's cool
 
#152
#152
005 said:
calipari there but hating on williams is fun.

top four is the same as mine would be, probs. And I like Donavan a good amount. Matta annoys me but that is probably more tOSU than his coaching ability.
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What people say about Cal--more recruiter than coach--is much more accurately applied to Williams. Aside from taking UMass to the Final Four, the Brandon Knight Kentucky team was not as good as the UNC team they beat.

I think Donovan got really lucky with Noah and Horford. Matta's teams underperform more than people realize.
 
#154
#154
Except Roy has won more right? You never told me exactly who Dook beat in 2010...
 
#156
#156
dude is 700-180 with two national titles.

If Self goes on a 193-17 stretch, though.

I realize straight up W-L doesn't determine everything, and get that there are a lot of good coaches, but this is a nice blend of recognizing other good coaches and picking nits because you don't like a coach.
 
#157
#157
allvol_12 said:
Ok, we get it. You like dook, hate Roy and Carolina... It's cool
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005 said:
dude is 700-180 with two national titles.

If Self goes on a 193-17 stretch, though.

I realize straight up W-L doesn't determine everything, and get that there are a lot of good coaches, but this is a nice blend of recognizing other good coaches and picking nits because you don't like a coach.
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Williams is just an overrated coach; it has nothing to do with him being at Carolina. Dean Smith was a great coach, Billy Donovan is an overrated coach. Not at all shocked that he would get outcoached by a guy like Beilein.
 
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#159
RDU VOL#14 said:
You aren't being critical of someone for blatantly disliking a school or coach are you? Because the thought of that is absolutely hilarious.
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Nothing will change me thinking Ryan Kelly isn't very good. What he is doing is worse than anything I've said... Why wouldn't I be happy when the team I root for's rival loses?

I have never, not given K his due
 
#160
#160
Carolina sucked. Ryan Kelly tanked and became noticeably frustrated. Guess he wasnt the saving grace everyone called him to be.
 
#161
#161
Dudleys87 said:
Carolina sucked. Ryan Kelly tanked and became noticeably frustrated. Guess he wasnt the saving grace everyone called him to be.
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The discussion was whether Ryan Kelly makes a big difference to how good Duke is. They were 21-2 with him and 9-4 without him, so I think the answer is pretty obvious.

No one ever said "Ryan Kelly makes Duke better than Louisville."

I'm not sure why this is so difficult to understand for either of you.
 
#162
#162
allvol_12 said:
Nothing will change me thinking Ryan Kelly isn't very good. What he is doing is worse than anything I've said... Why wouldn't I be happy when the team I root for's rival loses?

I have never, not given K his due
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What am I doing? How is saying Roy Williams isn't a great Xs and Os coach out of bounds?

Are all these coaches surveyed just UNC haters too?

The question is: Who is the most overrated coach in the country?

1. Roy Williams (North Carolina): 23 percent
2. Rick Barnes (Texas): 17 percent
3. Scott Drew (Baylor): 11 percent
4. Steve Lavin (St. John's): 9 percent
5. Jay Wright (Villanova): 6 percent
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Critical Coaches: Who is the most overrated coach in the country? - CBSSports.com
 
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#165
VKAman said:
The discussion was whether Ryan Kelly makes a big difference to how good Duke is. They were 21-2 with him and 9-4 without him, so I think the answer is pretty obvious.

No one ever said "Ryan Kelly makes Duke better than Louisville."

I'm not sure why this is so difficult to understand for either of you.
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So nobody said, with Ryan Kelly, they are the best team in the country? Talking heads went on and on saying it.
 
#169
#169
LittleCat said:
If Louisville wins this year then it'll be two years in a row. But yeah, your point is valid.
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I think Duke just had an awful game plan against Louisville. This was a game where Duke ought to have allowed Louisville to shoot any shot they wanted on the perimeter, but collapse on defense and prevent the drive. Meanwhile, on the other end of the court, this was a game in which Duke ought to have simply played two on the block, and forced the ball inside to Plumlee and Kelly. Instead, Duke did the exact opposite.
 
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#171
therealUT said:
I think Duke just had an awful game plan against Louisville. This was a game where Duke ought to have allowed Louisville to shoot any shot they wanted on the perimeter, but collapse on defense and prevent the drive. Meanwhile, on the other end of the court, this was a game in which Duke ought to have simply played two on the block, and forced the ball inside to Plumlee and Kelly. Instead, Duke did the exact opposite.
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Kelly, just like Kadji, is a tall perimeter players, who just isn't comfortable on the block. I agree, the defensive gameplan was horrible. That being said, Duke still got worked, so you were wrong.
 
#173
#173
There are questions about Roy's coaching, as there also is with Self. The man dominates the Big 12, then often tanks in the Tournament. And Coach K has a great record, but there's always Lehigh.
 
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#175
volprof said:
There are questions about Roy's coaching, as there also is with Self. The man dominates the Big 12, then often tanks in the Tournament. And Coach K has a great record, but there's always Lehigh.
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Define "tank"?

Nine years at KU: one national title, two final fours, five elite eights, and seven sweet sixteens.

Self has as many elite eight appearances in nine years as Roy had in fifteen (and, I will gladly assert that Self has not had the talent that Roy had).
 
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