The Arkansas Postgame Report

#101
#101
patrick said:
If you follow recruiting at all, Martin's inherited players where better than Pearl's inherited players.

In addition, if you were to look at Pearl's first roster (without seeing Pearl's records after he arrived) in comparison to Martin's then most people and coaches would rather have Martin's. The only reason that people now say that pearl's first roster was so talented is because they won games, big games..... Well that talent had not done jack under Buzz but I digress.

The point is if u look at it in a bubble, Martin's first roster appeared to be more talented.
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It may have appeared that way, but perception is not always reality. As it turns out, Pearl inherited an NBA PG, an All-American SG, and an All-SEC SG/SF.

Martin inherited an overrated PF who has never put it together, no true PG, nobody who can shoot the basketball, a broke down Cam Tatum, and the loss of Scotty Hopson and Tobias Harris.

The real question is, where does coaching play into the equation?
 
#102
#102
Volman1970 said:
Would you bring him back?
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I know Tennessee won't/can't hire Pearl back. What's done is done.

My only bone of contention here is someone comparing the hire of Bruce Pearl to Martin. There is simply no valid comparison which can be made. Pearl was a much more proven and better hire than Zo ever thought about being.
 
#104
#104
cncchris33 said:
It may have appeared that way, but perception is not always reality. As it turns out, Pearl inherited an NBA PG, an All-American SG, and an All-SEC SG/SF.

Martin inherited an overrated PF who has never put it together, no true PG, nobody who can shoot the basketball, a broke down Cam Tatum, and the loss of Scotty Hopson and Tobias Harris.

The real question is, where does coaching play into the equation?
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Without Pearl your second sentence never occurs.
 
#105
#105
cncchris33 said:
It may have appeared that way, but perception is not always reality. As it turns out, Pearl inherited an NBA PG, an All-American SG, and an All-SEC SG/SF.

Martin inherited an overrated PF who has never put it together, no true PG, nobody who can shoot the basketball, a broke down Cam Tatum, and the loss of Scotty Hopson and Tobias Harris.

The real question is, where does coaching play into the equation?
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Coaching and coaching style had a lot to do with it
 
#106
#106
Volman1970 said:
Would you bring him back?
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As much as I loved his style, flair, and philosophy, I'd have to say no. His recruiting philosophy began to trend toward the "athlete", and less towards the basketball player, which I disagreed with.

I just don't think its feasible for him to ever return, whether people want it or not. Too many things working against him (show cause, perception, and bad blood among them). I just don't see how you can bring him back.
 
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#112
#112
patrick said:
If you follow recruiting at all, Martin's inherited players where better than Pearl's inherited players.

In addition, if you were to look at Pearl's first roster (without seeing Pearl's records after he arrived) in comparison to Martin's then most people and coaches would rather have Martin's. The only reason that people now say that pearl's first roster was so talented is because they won games, big games..... Well that talent had not done jack under Buzz but I digress.

The point is if u look at it in a bubble, Martin's first roster appeared to be more talented.
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No way. I am not defending Martin because this team can be tough to watch. But I take great guard play every day of the week. Pearl inherited great guards, and that is how you win in college. Plus, the players that Pearl inherited all had experience as Watson and Lofton played decent minutes as freshmen. Martin's players all averaged less than 10 minutes a game and none were started. Don't just throw stuff out there without knowing.
 
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#114
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patrick said:
OMG - and what did Buzz do with those so called great players??? not very much.....

and u can compare their stats during Buzz years and Pearl's years...

Wins alone paint a different picture completely.
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You're looking at it from the wrong end of the spectrum. You are crediting Pearl with those accomplishments as if no one else could have coached them to those honors. Any number of other coaches could have coached them up to maximize their abilities. You are assuming that I believe Buzz Peterson could have led them to reach their potential, and that's wrong. However, Bruce Pearl is not the end-all, be-all of coaches. Do you not agree Brad Stevens, Mark Few, etc, could have potentially coached those guys up as well?

Point being, it didn't HAVE to be Pearl, which is why I believe your statement is speculative.
 
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#119
#119
volbeast33 said:
He has never ever been charged with a major violation besides lying.....no I do not think he will lie to the NCAA again.
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Let's see had underclassmen off campus at UWM got busted, then did the exact same thing here.

Nah he learns his lesson, he wouldn't break the rules again lol
 
#121
#121
patrick said:
You can't even compare Martin to Pearl.....

You are out of your mind!

Pearl had 13 years of head coaching experience before getting the Tennessee job - Martin, a whopping 3 years of HC experience.

Pearl won AA' Div 2 championship and took an also ran program to two NCAA tourneys (one sweet 16).

Pearl had a resume full of years of winning! Martin 3 years and no AA tourney teams!

Pearl's resume established him as a winner and was a much stronger candidate for the Tennessee job than Martin and that's a fact!
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ok calm down...all I meant was a midmajor coach. I completely agree that pearl had a much better resume coming in and did a much better job once he got here. Like I said, all I meant by saying the same type of coach was midmajor supposedly up and coming. I know using that term with respect to martin is using it loosely but I hope u see what I mean.
I think I'm on your side here haha! I wasn't a fan of the cuonzo hire when we made it. Ill admit that at times down the stretch last year I thought he may be able to get it done but its not looking good at all right now
 
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