The cumulative Pearl thread

[NYYVol]

You just can't give any credit. According to all your little rants Pearl is the luckiest coach to ever coach basketball. It's remarkable he has such a great resume with crappy sets, crappy recruiting, etc... It has to be because he has always had superior talent to bail him out at uwm and ut.
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Glad to see you're still missing the mark. Youre consistent. I'll give you that.
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[tvols75]

Glad to see you're still missing the mark. Youre consistent. I'll give you that.
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Yep I'm missing the mark. Apparently if you are a good motivator you can be a great coach even if:

1. You can't develop players
2. You can't recruit
3. You have terrible offensive sets
4. You suck at coaching defense
5. You are terrible at substituting
6. You are terrible at game management

So since all You Pearl bashers have stated this at some point or another, can you tell me besides motivation and luck what had made him successful as a coach wherever he has been?
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[LawVol13]

You just can't give any credit. According to all your little rants Pearl is the luckiest coach to ever coach basketball. It's remarkable he has such a great resume with crappy sets, crappy recruiting, etc... It has to be because he has always had superior talent to bail him out at uwm and ut.
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Try reading what I'm talking about before making yourself look foolish. I've consistently been talking about his late game management.

 

[tvols75]

Try reading what I'm talking about before making yourself look foolish. I've consistently been talking about his late game management.

Oh I know what you have been saying but have you not said the other as well at some point? So Mr. Basketball coach what is it he does well. It's a simple question.
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[LawVol13]

Oh I know what you have been saying but have you not said the other as well at some point? So Mr. Basketball coach what is it he does well. It's a simple question.
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I thought his transition offense was good when he actually utilized it. I think his half-court offense sucks. I think his half-court defense, schematically, the last two seasons has been excellent. However, the effort isn't consistent. I thought he schemed pretty well in the half-court when Lofton was there; I was usually impressed with the way he used Lofton as a decoy to open some things for other people. But, he's shown an inability to adjust to a roster that doesn't have a once in a career type shooter on it.

 

[tvols75]

I thought his transition offense was good when he actually utilized it. I think his half-court offense sucks. I think his half-court defense, schematically, the last two seasons has been excellent. However, the effort isn't consistent. I thought he schemed pretty well in the half-court when Lofton was there; I was usually impressed with the way he used Lofton as a decoy to open some things for other people. But, he's shown an inability to adjust to a roster that doesn't have a once in a career type shooter on it.

So pretty much he is having a down year without a consistent shooter? Did you bash roy wiliams last year? So one down year equals terrible coaching? Is it the coach's fault if players he recruited aren't consistent... yes to a large extent. But pretty much you named one strength when lofton was here and one strength now. If he has had blatant deficiencies like his it's amazing what he has done.
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[LawVol13]

So pretty much he is having a down year without a consistent shooter? Did you bash roy wiliams last year? So one down year equals terrible coaching?
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He's having a down year because he is choosing to play a slow, grind it out pace while running complete garbage as a half-court offense. He'd be much better off pushing the ball at every opportunity offensively. Also, you're really comparing Roy Williams, a Hall of Famer with 2 Titles and 7 Final Fours, to Pearl? Also, where did I say he was a terrible coach? I'll give you a hint. I've never said that.

 

[tvols75]

He's having a down year because he is choosing to play a slow, grind it out pace while running complete garbage as a half-court offense. He'd be much better off pushing the ball at every opportunity offensively. Also, you're really comparing Roy Williams, a Hall of Famer with 2 Titles and 7 Final Fours, to Pearl? Also, where did I say he was a terrible coach? I'll give you a hint. I've never said that.

Didn't see where I compared them? I jyst asked if you bashed him. And off topic, Roy has always been an overrated coach. He was always considered a choker but when he had 5 players selected in first round he finally got it done at UNC.
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[LawVol13]

Didn't see where I compared them? I jyst asked if you bashed him. And off topic, Roy has always been an overrated coach. He was always considered a choker but when he had 5 players selected in first round he finally got it done at UNC.
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Yea, he pretty much sucks. Those two rings, and 4 title game appearances to go along with the highest winning percentage in Div. 1 show the guy is really kind of a joke. Please. If he's overrated, wonder what Bruce Pearl must be?

 

[tvols75]

Yea, he pretty much sucks. Those two rings, and 4 title game appearances to go along with the highest winning percentage in Div. 1 show the guy is really kind of a joke. Please. If he's overrated, wonder what Bruce Pearl must be?

Haha he inherited a national championship program. And then couldn't win the big game and then he went to UNC where he had gold given to him with the young players and finally won. Great recruiter: yes great coach:no. Heck bill self has won a title at Kansas and many people consider him a choker.
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[LawVol13]

Haha he inherited a national championship program. And then couldn't win the big game and then he went to UNC where he had gold given to him with the young players and finally won. Great recruiter: yes great coach:no. Heck bill self has won a title at Kansas and many people consider him a choker.
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You don't win in BCS conferences at a very high level for 20+ consecutive seasons by sucking. Also, I'd love to have a coach that was considered a "choker" if we were in Final Fours and Championship games every 3 or 4 years.

 

[tvols75]

You don't win in BCS conferences at a very high level for 20+ consecutive seasons by sucking. Also, I'd love to have a coach that was considered a "choker" if we were in Final Fours and Championship games every 3 or 4 years.

Give him Tennessee's program when Pearl took it over and there is no way we would've seen as fast results as we got. He never had to work for anything he was given the reigns of two of the most historic programs in the history of college basketball and both teams were loaded with talent when he got there. He's a good coach but not elite. There is no way you take him over someone who hasn't won a championship like Bob Huggins.
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[LawVol13]

Give him Tennessee's program when Pearl took it over and there is no way we would've seen as fast results as we got.
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So, you are honestly saying Bruce Pearl is a better coach than Roy Williams?

 

[Manvol]

If we go 4 & 2 In final regular season & then win 2 in the SEC tourney that will put us 21 wins which is doable IMO; Will Pearl hush the haters or is it ever going to be enough after his off the court issues?
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[LawVol13]

If we go 4 & 2 In final regular season & the win 2 in the SEC tourney that will put us 21 wins which is doable IMO; Will Pearl quiten the haters or is it ever going to be enough after his off the court issues?
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Observing reality isn't being a "hater." And, I think the chance of him being here next year is extremely low, and it has nothing to do with this year's results.

 

[Manvol]

Observing reality isn't being a "hater." And, I think the chance of him being here next year is extremely low, and it has nothing to do with this year's results.

I'm thinking he gets suspended for first 10 games of next year and 1 scholarship reduction.
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[LawVol13]

I'm thinking he gets suspended for first 10 games of next year and 1 scholarship reduction.
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Any reason for 10 games? Or just a gut feeling you have? I'd be shocked if it's not a year. And, I don't see anyway he survives that.

 

[Manvol]

Any reason for 10 games? Or just a gut feeling you have? I'd be shocked if it's not a year. And, I don't see anyway he survives that.

If it is a year he should be gone. No one is worth waiting on for a Year. Its just a feeling. I do think AA will take into consideration in what UT & Slive did to punish him. If he gets a year then would he have received a 5 year ban if no punishment had been taken? I could be completly wrong.
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[LawVol13]

If it is a year he should be gone. No one is worth waiting on for a Year. Its just a feeling. I do think AA will take into consideration in what UT & Slive did to punish him. If he gets a year then would he have received a 5 year ban if no punishment had been taken? I could be completly wrong.
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I've never heard anything about a 5 year ban. I don't think the 'AA is going to take into account the monetary reductions. The man is still making well over a $1 million per year. It's not like he's poor now. And it just seems like virtually every basketball talking head wants at least a year suspension, so the 'AA will be feeling a lot of pressure to stick it to Pearl from a public relations standpoint.

 

[Manvol]

I've never heard anything about a 5 year ban. I don't think the 'AA is going to take into account the monetary reductions. The man is still making well over a $1 million per year. It's not like he's poor now. And it just seems like virtually every basketball talking head wants at least a year suspension, so the 'AA will be feeling a lot of pressure to stick it to Pearl from a public relations standpoint.

5 year ban was a hypothetical if he had zero punishment.
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[tvols75]

So, you are honestly saying Bruce Pearl is a better coach than Roy Williams?

Didn't say that. But Pearl is a very good coach as well but not elite. Pearl's biggest problem was the transition from players that he was accustomed too that always had a chip on their shoulders and worked their ass off to the "prima donna" player. I think learning when to be a friend and when to be a hard ass is one of those fine lines Pearl hasn't solved since he has gotten highly rated players here.

Back to the point, rank Roy Williams as far as in-game coaching ability. There is no way you can have him as an elite coach. Elite recruiter (even though he has been at programs that recruit itself) but nowhere close to elite coach.

 

[LawVol13]

5 year ban was a hypothetical if he had zero punishment.
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Oh, I see what you're saying now. I obviously don't have any inside info, but 5 years sounds awfully harsh especially considering that the penalties imposed by UT really aren't that much, imo. So, I'm not sure the punishment will be much different than what he would have received if UT had done nothing.

 

[LawVol13]

Didn't say that. But Pearl is a very good coach as well but not elite. Pearl's biggest problem was the transition from players that he was accustomed too that always had a chip on their shoulders and worked their ass off to the "prima donna" player. I think learning when to be a friend and when to be a hard ass is one of those fine lines Pearl hasn't solved since he has gotten highly rated players here.

Back to the point, rank Roy Williams as far as in-game coaching ability. There is no way you can have him as an elite coach. Elite recruiter (even though he has been at programs that recruit itself) but nowhere close to elite coach.

I'd take Roy Williams over Bruce Pearl all day every day. I'd take his offensive philosophy over Pearl's all day every day. And Williams doesn't seem to be a bad in game coach to me.

On Pearl. He's shown he can adjust his system by scrapping the press. He now needs to scrap the "modified flex" because it just sucks. He is perfectly capable of putting in a motion offense, and it would fit our personnel much, much more than what we currently do. However, I don't think he'll get the chance to give that a shot.

 

[tvols75]

I'd take Roy Williams over Bruce Pearl all day every day. I'd take his offensive philosophy over Pearl's all day every day. And Williams doesn't seem to be a bad in game coach to me.

On Pearl. He's shown he can adjust his system by scrapping the press. He now needs to scrap the "modified flex" because it just sucks. He is perfectly capable of putting in a motion offense, and it would fit our personnel much, much more than what we currently do. However, I don't think he'll get the chance to give that a shot.

Once again, I'm not debating Pearl over Williams. But rank Roy Williams right now as an in-game coach vs. the rest of the coaches in CBB.

 

[LawVol13]

Once again, I'm not debating Pearl over Williams. But rank Roy Williams right now as an in-game coach vs. the rest of the coaches in CBB.

I don't really know. I wouldn't rank him as high as K, Pitino, or some other guys. But, I certainly think he's a very good X and O's guy. So, he'd rank in the upper-echelon, but not the best, imo.