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Do you want Bruce Pearl to be Head Coach at UT next season?

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#326
#326
LawVol13 said:
I don't really know. I wouldn't rank him as high as K, Pitino, or some other guys. But, I certainly think he's a very good X and O's guy. So, he'd rank in the upper-echelon, but not the best, imo.
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Disagree and many others disagree. He has choked with some of the best talents in CBB. All those great players he had in Kansas, yet could never win the big game. Then was given another gold mine in Carolina with I believe at least 4 NBA first round picks on both of the championship squads.

I would take

Pitino
Calhoun
Huggins
Boeheim
Coach K
Izzo
Stevens
Anderson
Marshall

These are some of the elite in-game coaches. Then you have the next level where you have coaches that manage NBA players, and you include Matta, Williams, Calipari, etc..

Roy Williams is not going to outcoach any of those guys I mentioned above head to head IMO.
 
#327
#327
tvols75 said:
Disagree and many others disagree. He has choked with some of the best talents in CBB. All those great players he had in Kansas, yet could never win the big game. Then was given another gold mine in Carolina with I believe at least 4 NBA first round picks on both of the championship squads.

I would take

Pitino
Calhoun
Huggins
Boeheim
Coach K
Izzo
Stevens
Anderson
Marshall

These are some of the elite in-game coaches. Then you have the next level where you have coaches that manage NBA players, and you include Matta, Williams, Calipari, etc..

Roy Williams is not going to outcoach any of those guys I mentioned above head to head IMO.
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I think the last 3 are garbage to rank ahead of Williams. I also wouldn't put Calhoun or Boeheim over him as an "in-game" coach. And the talent argument fails, imo. It's not like the guys with rings on your own list there were devoid of talent when they won their titles. In fact, most of them had a talent level similar or better than Roy Williams has had.
 
#328
#328
LawVol13 said:
I think the last 3 are garbage to rank ahead of Williams. I also wouldn't put Calhoun or Boeheim over him as an "in-game" coach. And the talent argument fails, imo. It's not like the guys with rings on your own list there were devoid of talent when they won their titles. In fact, most of them had a talent level similar or better than Roy Williams has had.
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If we are talking about just in game coaching, then those 3 at the end I would take over Roy Williams any day of the week. You can go back and look and say how the hell did he not win a national championship more than you can say he did a great coaching job this year. He manages NBA talent well. You cannot honestly say that Roy Williams has had to work his way up the latter. He got the Kansas job because he was Dean Smith's coffee boy and Dean got him the job. He was given the reigns of 1. A team that just came off a National Championship and 2. A team that just had arguably the best recruiting class in college basketball history. And both programs were the two of the elite programs in College Basketball history.
 
#330
#330
tvols75 said:
And finally I'm off to bed, so save any profound thoughts for tomorrow :)
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Tvols, I'll give you a little credit. You've managed to do what I thought was impossible for you: have a rational conversation. We may disagree, but at least you had relevant points. :hi:
 
#333
#333
hatvol96 said:
They're both vastly superior to Williams as tacticians.
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I admittedly have no firsthand experience with Boeheim or Calhoun as you might, but from a purely casual basketball fan perspective, I have trouble seeing a clear difference between them and Williams.
 
#334
#334
Sudeepvol said:
I don't really understand the whole argument of Lofton bailing Pearl out in late-game situations. Many coaches have all those type of players. When a coach can just call an iso for his best player late in the game, is that not also a coach getting "bailed out"? Such a weak argument...
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People that talk about shooter bailing out coaches don't know wtf they are talking about. You either make it or miss it. It's basketball. (I guess JJ reddick bailed out Coach K too) See how long you last as a college coach if you don't have shooters that can fill it up. Ask BP this year. Ask any coach, any year. Silly argument.
 
#335
#335
Looks like I was off a game yesterday. Rucker says Pearl is 35-19 (I said 36-20) in games 5 points and less and 2-9 in one point games.

Take for them what you want.
 
#336
#336
pl3 said:
People that talk about shooter bailing out coaches don't know wtf they are talking about. You either make it or miss it. It's basketball. (I guess JJ reddick bailed out Coach K too) See how long you last as a college coach if you don't have shooters that can fill it up. Ask BP this year. Ask any coach, any year. Silly argument.
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Having an understanding of the argument would greatly help you.
 
#337
#337
GoBigOrangeVols said:
This team was good at the beginning of the season, and they aren't very good anymore.

The problems with this team go deeper than just CBP... piling on top of him isn't going to prove any points for the media guys. Everyone who follows the team closely enough to read or listen to their boring reports and stories knows what CBP did and how it has adversely impacted the team, so rather than stating the obvious, they are pointing out other glaring problems with the team i.e. the PG play.

They are just doing their job. There is nothing new to write about CBP. Makes sense though, anyone with an opinion opposite from one closed minded butt hurt fan is a sycophant. Great logic.
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:good!: Good one.
 
#338
#338
NYYVol said:
Having an understanding of the argument would greatly help you.
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I'm talking about the argument that BP's offense has always stunk, but he had the lofton's, smith's, etc to bail him out with 3's. What coach that wins games doesn't have shooters? Shooters win and lose games. What argument do I not understand?
 
#339
#339
pl3 said:
I'm talking about the argument that BP's offense has always stunk, but he had the lofton's, smith's, etc to bail him out with 3's. What coach that wins games doesn't have shooters? Shooters win and lose games. What argument do I not understand?
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Lofton's game winners against Winthrop and Texas had nothing to do with great coaching. If anything, it was in spite of it.
 
#341
#341
BigPapaVol said:
Hold up, if we were winning these games our fans wouldn't be griping about lack of late game coaching? Interesting.
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U r so right. It's all about winning. If we were dominating every game and in the Top 10 in the Polls it would be a different story. However we still are waiting on the NCAA's decision. What will it be? & how will we fare?
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#346
#346
Lofton did hit a shot that you can't coach. However the play call was very solid. I heard Mike Dunleavey say at a lecture that the pass (thrown to Lofton) from a sideline out of bounds going toward the corner is one of the hardest to defend in basketball.
 
#347
#347
JZVOL said:
Lofton did hit a shot that you can't coach. However the play call was very solid. I heard Mike Dunleavey say at a lecture that the pass (thrown to Lofton) from a sideline out of bounds going toward the corner is one of the hardest to defend in basketball.
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Winthrop defended it very well.
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