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Do you want Bruce Pearl to be Head Coach at UT next season?

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#101
#101
Unimane said:
You forgot the most important stat.

NCAA Tournament records:

Green: 3-4
Pearl: 8-5

Pearl's record far surpasses Green in terms of real accomplishments and, while I don't think Pearl is the only one who can win here, getting rid of Pearl for anything other than the NCAA stuff makes no sense to me. People who want him fired now, but not when the NCAA stuff came out is ridiculous.
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I noted Pearl's tourney success separates him from Green. And, surely no one would be advocating his firing absent the NCAA violations. I haven't seen anyone doing that.
 
#102
#102
Unimane said:
You forgot the most important stat.

NCAA Tournament records:

Green: 3-4
Pearl: 8-5

Pearl's record far surpasses Green in terms of real accomplishments and, while I don't think Pearl is the only one who can win here, getting rid of Pearl for anything other than the NCAA stuff makes no sense to me. People who want him fired now, but not when the NCAA stuff came out is ridiculous.
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I agree with this. Obviously, Tennessee can hire another competent coach similar to Pearl (and a few coaches could be available who would surpass his accomplishments here) but Pearl is doing just fine. If someone's reasoning to get rid of him stems from possible sanctions, that's perfectly reasonable. But solely based on what he has done here in terms of results, you'd have to be a moron to even be in a discussion to get rid of him.
 
#104
#104
LawVol13 said:
I noted Pearl's tourney success separates him from Green. And, surely no one would be advocating his firing absent the NCAA violations. I haven't seen anyone doing that.
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People called for his firing after that Jan. 1 thing last year.
 
#105
#105
Sudeepvol said:
And that's all that matters.
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Not to many on here. Hell, not even to Pearl himself. He has touted his success winning the East a ton over the years. And, I think winning the regular season conference championship is also a very significant accomplishment. Success in the 'AAs is obviously more significant, but I wouldn't dismiss the regular season completely.
 
#106
#106
LawVol13 said:
I noted Pearl's tourney success separates him from Green. And, surely no one would be advocating his firing absent the NCAA violations. I haven't seen anyone doing that.
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I've seen a bunch of "I'm done now" stuff over the last week, which is what I'm referring. People who weren't advocating him getting fired for the NCAA stuff, but are now because of a rough two months, are idiots. They'd probably fire Roy Williams, too. I want to keep Pearl, but I can buy those selling getting rid of Pearl for the NCAA stuff, not the 15-10 people.
 
#107
#107
LawVol13 said:
Not to many on here. Hell, not even to Pearl himself. He has touted his success winning the East a ton over the years. And, I think winning the regular season conference championship is also a very significant accomplishment. Success in the 'AAs is obviously more significant, but I wouldn't dismiss the regular season completely.
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Pearl talking about winning the East is just coach speak. I think winning the conference tournament is something, but winning the regular season doesn't amount to much for me. Hell, even the Selection Committee agrees.
 
#108
#108
LawVol13 said:
I noted Pearl's tourney success separates him from Green. And, surely no one would be advocating his firing absent the NCAA violations. I haven't seen anyone doing that.
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For me it's coaching failure times the NCAA hammer. We're really sticking our necks out for a guy who's a fantastic salesman but not really that great a coach.

No way I'd be advocating his firing if it weren't for his admitted lying. But at this point, it's pretty clear that we're not exactly sticking our necks out for Bob Knight or Coach K. Time to move on.
 
#109
#109
Unimane said:
I've seen a bunch of "I'm done now" stuff over the last week, which is what I'm referring. People who weren't advocating him getting fired for the NCAA stuff, but are now because of a rough two months, are idiots. They'd probably fire Roy Williams, too. I want to keep Pearl, but I can buy those selling getting rid of Pearl for the NCAA stuff, not the 15-10 people.
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I still think most of them, like volwarrior33, for example, isn't advocating his removal because of coaching, but because of the effect of the NCAA investigation and the uncertainty in the program. I think that's reasonable. I agree though that advocating his removal solely on coaching would be ridiculous at this point.
 
#110
#110
Vercingetorix said:
For me it's coaching failure times the NCAA hammer. We're really sticking our necks out for a guy who's a fantastic salesman but not really that great a coach.

No way I'd be advocating his firing if it weren't for his admitted lying. But at this point, it's pretty clear that we're not exactly sticking our necks out for Bob Knight or Coach K. Time to move on.
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There are many things that I would change about the way Pearl coaches, but I do recognize he's won a lot of games in his tenure. However, I agree that he is not an elite coach, just a solid one.
 
#111
#111
Unimane said:
I've seen a bunch of "I'm done now" stuff over the last week, which is what I'm referring. People who weren't advocating him getting fired for the NCAA stuff, but are now because of a rough two months, are idiots. They'd probably fire Roy Williams, too. I want to keep Pearl, but I can buy those selling getting rid of Pearl for the NCAA stuff, not the 15-10 people.
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My dad has no idea what message boards are. My dad is almost 70 years old; he's been watching Tennessee basketball for sixty years. My dad thought Bruce Pearl was the greatest thing in the world for awhile. Maybe it makes him an idiot, but my dad's breaking point was apparently the way we handled the last possession tonight.

You can lose stupidly. You can have NCAA problems. But you can't do both.
 
#113
#113
Vercingetorix said:
My dad has no idea what message boards are. My dad is almost 70 years old; he's been watching Tennessee basketball for sixty years. My dad thought Bruce Pearl was the greatest thing in the world for awhile. Maybe it makes him an idiot, but my dad's breaking point was apparently the way we handled the last possession tonight.

You can lose stupidly. You can have NCAA problems. But you can't do both.
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And, if we win next week, then what? Reactionary responses never work out very well. Past performances by Pearl's teams suggest this team is an anomaly rather than the rule. Yes, it's ridiculous to put this couple of months as a reason for firing Pearl. Tell me a coach that hasn't had a season like this one.
 
#114
#114
LawVol13 said:
Sums it up perfectly.
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If you want to evaluate Pearl on coaching and his 'AA problems, is it fair to pick out one difficult stretch of games from which to evaluate his coaching prowess?
 
#115
#115
Unimane said:
And, if we win next week, then what? Reactionary responses never work out very well. Past performances by Pearl's teams suggest this team is an anomaly rather than the rule. Yes, it's ridiculous to put this couple of months as a reason for firing Pearl. Tell me a coach that hasn't had a season like this one.
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Name a comparable coach that has had the same kind of Bruce Pearl Timeline for an entire season. Name a coach that has embarrassed his school as thoroughly as Pearl has UTK without getting fired.

The guy is a a liar. The guy is a good but not great coach. At what point does it become stupid for UT to bend and submit in order to keep him?
 
#116
#116
Vercingetorix said:
Name a comparable coach that has had the same kind of Bruce Pearl Timeline for an entire season. Name a coach that has embarrassed his school as thoroughly as Pearl has UTK without getting fired.

The guy is a a liar. The guy is a good but not great coach. At what point does it become stupid for UT to bend and submit in order to keep him?
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He's a liar or he lied? And, what do you mean "Bruce Pearl Timeline"? Anyway, the point was, if you think he should be fired for the NCAA stuff, then that should've been the position taken months ago, not during a two game slide on the road. That's what I mean by reactionary fandom.
 
#117
#117
Freak said:
If you want to evaluate Pearl on coaching and his 'AA problems, is it fair to pick out one difficult stretch of games from which to evaluate his coaching prowess?
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I said this in the other Pearl thread :p

But what bothers me is the bleak outlook after this season, which I feel is all a result of Pearl's actions (whether it be recruiting or lying to the NCAA).
 
#118
#118
Unimane said:
He's a liar or he lied? And, what do you mean "Bruce Pearl Timeline"? Anyway, the point was, if you think he should be fired for the NCAA stuff, then that should've been the position taken months ago, not during a two game slide on the road. That's what I mean by reactionary fandom.
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If you don't know what I mean by the "Bruce Pearl Timeline," then you're not watching the games on TV. Five or six times a game, the broadcaster has to run through Pearl's sins anew. Maybe you're not embarrassed on behalf of UTK every time it happens, but most of us who care about the University are.

I thought he should have been fired the second it came out that he lied to the NCAA. He's not a good enough coach for us to throw ourselves on the sword for. And nothing that has happened so far this year has proved me wrong.
 
#119
#119
Vercingetorix said:
If you don't know what I mean by the "Bruce Pearl Timeline," then you're not watching the games on TV. Five or six times a game, the broadcaster has to run through Pearl's sins anew. Maybe you're not embarrassed on behalf of UTK every time it happens, but most of us who care about the University are.

I thought he should have been fired the second it came out that he lied to the NCAA. He's not a good enough coach for us to throw ourselves on the sword for. And nothing that has happened so far this year has proved me wrong.
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Does Pearl have a contractual obligation for them to make the timeline reference every game? I actually haven't seen it the last couple of games and thought it was a bit of overkill, myself. I was embarassed the first time, but got annoyed with the repetitive nature of it over time. ESPN repeatedly trying to beat something into my head isn't going to change my opinion of it.

Otherwise, I have been quite pleased with Pearl's overall on-court results throughout his career here. I can understand why people would want him gone for the NCAA stuff, but I prefer to keep him.
 
#120
#120
Then you're satisfied with UT bending over backwards to keep a good but not great coach that would have been fired by just about any other basketball program in the country. The only reason Pearl still has a job in Knoxville is because Mike Hamilton himself is backed into a corner. If Pearl goes, Hamilton has nothing left to hang his hat on.

It was one thing when he was just an overrated coach who lost the Oklahoma State game because of his (lack of) gameplan. Now that he's a liar who's likely to burn our whole program down to the ground AND an overrated coach, then F him. The loyalty you have for a coach who literally might as well not be in the building for the last two minutes of a game is heartwarming.
 
#123
#123
Freak said:
If people want Pearl fired because of his NCAA issues or they just don't like him, then fine. But considering what he's accomplished during his tenure at Tennessee, it's absurd to call for his firing just because this team is struggling right now.
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Totally agree freak.
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#124
#124
LawVol13 said:
I'll just point out some facts that will undoubtedly spark instant debate with the Pearlophiles. Jerry Green: 71% winning percentage at UT. Bruce Pearl: 71% winning percentage at UT. Jerry Green: 2 East Titles in 4 years. Bruce Pearl: 3 East Titles in 5 years. Each have 1 SEC regular season crown. Pearl's Elite Eight is all that separates them.

With that being said, Pearl is the better coach. But, that goes to show that many people other than Bruce Pearl can win at a high level here.
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Any idea on strength of schedule between the 2?
 
#125
#125
Now taking resumes

Job requirements

Must win every close game.
Must recruit top five class every year.

Absolutely no Barbeque's, just to be safe.
Do not lie even once since you will not ever be forgiven.
 
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