The Democratic Party cheated the 2020 election

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exactly like my aunt and uncle that I have referenced before. Think I will take their word for it over anyone here
 
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Orangeburst said:


exactly like my aunt and uncle that I have referenced before. Think I will take their word for it over anyone here
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Cool… now prove false ballots were actually cast and counted.

You realize there is a verification process right?

Audit after audit has found NOTHING except a few PO1135809 voters trying to cast an extra one for their relatives.
 
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BenGrimm said:
Cool… now prove false ballots were actually cast and counted.

You realize there is a verification process right?

Audit after audit has found NOTHING except a few PO1135809 voters trying to cast an extra one for their relatives.
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You must be new to bureaucracy. Voter rolls are a mess and the gov is sending out “unsolicited” MIBs. The very fact that the gov thinks and prints ballots for people that no longer live at that address and then using their erroneous information to certify there are no issues is priceless
 
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Arizona Senate study estimates 200k ballots counted in 2020 with mismatched signatures

Estimate is more than eight times the number of mismatches acknowledged by the county.
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arizona.votebeat.org

Three seconds to spot fraud? Here’s what I found testing Arizona’s ballot signature checking process.

A Votebeat reporter tests out the way Arizona validates early voters’ identities as courts consider lawsuits from the Arizona Republican Party and Kari Lake.
arizona.votebeat.org arizona.votebeat.org

Using signatures is so flawed and hurts valid votes as well. How about going to the poll and presenting a valid ID?
 
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Orangeburst said:
justthenews.com

Arizona Senate study estimates 200k ballots counted in 2020 with mismatched signatures

Estimate is more than eight times the number of mismatches acknowledged by the county.
justthenews.com justthenews.com

arizona.votebeat.org

Three seconds to spot fraud? Here’s what I found testing Arizona’s ballot signature checking process.

A Votebeat reporter tests out the way Arizona validates early voters’ identities as courts consider lawsuits from the Arizona Republican Party and Kari Lake.
arizona.votebeat.org arizona.votebeat.org

Using signatures is so flawed and hurts valid votes as well. How about going to the poll and presenting a valid ID?
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AZ had a partisan audit that only found more votes for Biden.

Come with real evidence and not just your feelings. Isn’t the MAGA mantra “Eff your feelings”?
 
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BenGrimm said:
AZ had a partisan audit that only found more votes for Biden.

Come with real evidence and not just your feelings. Isn’t the MAGA mantra “Eff your feelings”?
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Wouldn't the evidence be the courts just found in AZ that the election commission violated thier state laws regarding the signature verification meaning there were thousands of invalid votes which would he viewed a fraud from the election committee
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is absolutely ridiculous, and does not show a shred of self-awareness.

Trump and those defending him have zero moral authority to complain of an "undemocratic means" from. Allowing the American voters to vote for themselves was exactly what Democrats tried to do in 2020 ... and it was Trump who would not accept the results. His lies and his "alternate elector" scheme were a clear attempt to subvert the legitimate outcome from a democratic system of elections, which had voted him out of office with a free and fair result.

Trump will never accept the outcome of a democratic system of elections ... when he loses. That's just who he is.
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You missed the broader point. By you all crying wolf over and over you played right into Trump’s desire to always be a victim. This happened before the 2020 election. That’s the point.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Even though winning the nationwide popular vote is of no consequence in the Presidential General Election, it still bothered Donald Trump's ego that Hillary Clinton had more nationwide votes in 2016. So Trump did what Trump has always done when an election didn't turn out exactly how he wanted it to .... He blamed it on fraud. In this case, he claimed that over 3 million people had voted illegally (all for Hillary Clinton, of course).

See the video below from 2016 :





You gullible idiots who still believe that Trump was cheated in 2020 are more delusional than you should be. Trump will always blame fraud. The facts do not matter to him ... nor do they seem to matter to his cult of uneducated, redneck, white trash losers.
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White trash? That’s an interesting term for the black people that voted for Trump. You and your brethren never miss an opportunity to show your elitist bigotry.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Wouldn't the evidence be the courts just found in AZ that the election commission violated thier state laws regarding the signature verification meaning there were thousands of invalid votes which would he viewed a fraud from the election committee
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You got a link to that evidence? What about the 3- 4 month audit they did in AZ?
 
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BenGrimm said:
Cool… now prove false ballots were actually cast and counted.

You realize there is a verification process right?

Audit after audit has found NOTHING except a few PO1135809 voters trying to cast an extra one for their relatives.
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But just wait until that Kraken Lawsuit! I'm sure it'll be filed once she's out on parole and gets her law license back.
 
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Sorry @BigOrangeMojo but I don't agree at all with your assessment of Trump losing because he underperformed in those counties. In 4 of the 5 swing states (PA, GA, MI, WI and AZ) Trump's percentage of the total vote actually increased so he didn't underperform compared to 2016, he overperformed. He got a higher percentage of the vote nationwide as well. The one state where you might have something would be Georgia but Georgia alone didn't lose Trump the election. So what happened? The 3rd party vote disappeared and that went heavily to Biden's favor. Taking away the Dem and Rep candidates check out these percentage differences from 2016 to 2020:

PA -64% (-139K votes for non-Rep/Dem, Trump lost by 80K); total state votes up 17%
GA -50% (-61K votes, Trump lost by 12K); total state votes up 22%
MI -75% (-158K votes, Trump lost by 154K); total state votes up 16%
WI -74% (-101K votes, Trump lost by 21K); total state votes up 12%
AZ -63% (-79K votes, Trump lost by 10K); total state votes up 33%

As you can see, votes for 3rd party candidates were way down in 2020 compared to 2016 despite voter turnout being way up. That's what won it for Biden.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Sorry @BigOrangeMojo but I don't agree at all with your assessment of Trump losing because he underperformed in those counties. In 4 of the 5 swing states (PA, GA, MI, WI and AZ) Trump's percentage of the total vote actually increased so he didn't underperform compared to 2016, he overperformed. He got a higher percentage of the vote nationwide as well. The one state where you might have something would be Georgia but Georgia alone didn't lose Trump the election. So what happened? The 3rd party vote disappeared and that went heavily to Biden's favor. Taking away the Dem and Rep candidates check out these percentage differences from 2016 to 2020:

PA -64% (-139K votes for non-Rep/Dem, Trump lost by 80K); total state votes up 17%
GA -50% (-61K votes, Trump lost by 12K); total state votes up 22%
MI -75% (-158K votes, Trump lost by 154K); total state votes up 16%
WI -74% (-101K votes, Trump lost by 21K); total state votes up 12%
AZ -63% (-79K votes, Trump lost by 10K); total state votes up 33%

As you can see, votes for 3rd party candidates were way down in 2020 compared to 2016 despite voter turnout being way up. That's what won it for Biden.
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The decrease in 3rd parties had some impact but Trump underperforming with the suburban base cost him 2020.

PA - Trump went from +.73% (2016) to -1.17% or a total change of -1.9%.

There was no Green (heavy D) or Constitution (heavy R) in 2020. Biden likely picked up the net of these 28K votes. This likely explains about .4% (28K/7M) of the 1.9% swing. The Libertarian vote decreased by 1.25% in 2020. Like most "independents", they normally lean R 60-40% so a normal R would have picked up .25% here. At most, the 3rd party underperformance in 2020 negatively impacted Trump in the .15% to .20% range. It wasn't enough to flip PA.

AZ - Trump went +3.5% to -.3% or a change of -3.8%. Biden likely gained gained the entirety of the Green/Constitution vote (roughly 1%). A typical R would have probably benefited between about .6% from Libertarians underpeforming. The impact of the 3rd party underperformance (.4%) was likely enough to flip AZ to the Ds but it was only a small percentage of the 3.8%. Ultimately Trump underperformed in the "red" areas of Maricopa outside of Phoenix and if he did the same as 2016 there, he wins AZ by over a point.

MI - Trump went +.23% to -2.78%. Same analysis, Biden picks up .55-.6% from net of Green/Constitutional and a typical R would have picked up about .5% of the Libertarian underpefromance. The lack of 3rd parties pushed Biden closer to victory in MI but main driver was elsewhere (see Detroit suburban counties)

GA - Trump went +5.13 to -.23%. Biden would have picked up .1% from Green Party but a typical R would have likely picked up .3% from Libertarian.

WI - Trump went +.77% to -.63%. Biden would have gained about .7% from net of Green/,Constitution and a typical R would have gained about .5% from Libertarian. Again, it helped Biden but by itself, not enough to flip state.

Conclusion - The underperformance of 3rd parties was probably enough to flip AZ but it wasnt main reason why Trump lost. It helped Biden in PA, MI, and WI but not enough to flip those states by itself. It likely helped Trump in GA.
 
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Assumptions

1. Libertarians are ~ 59%-37% in voting for Rs when no Libertarian candidate exists. I used 60-40 for round math. A 1% decrease in Libertarians votes would approximate a .2% benefit for a typical R.

2. Assumed 100% of the decrease in Green Party went to Biden. Assumed 100% of decrease in Constitution party went to DJT.
 
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BenGrimm said:
Cool… now prove false ballots were actually cast and counted.

You realize there is a verification process right?

Audit after audit has found NOTHING except a few PO1135809 voters trying to cast an extra one for their relatives.
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How deep did the audits go? For example, excess ballots were sent because voter rolls don't get cleared out when someone moves. Was there any effort to verify that the people currently living at an address were the only ones voting from an address? How would you do that in the first place if you didn't know the previous occupants had moved and removed them from the registry because they no longer live there? How do you think a poll worker scanning thousands of ballots verifies a signature without being an expert on the subject? There are so many holes in mail in voting that it's criminal it was ever instituted.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
The decrease in 3rd parties had some impact but Trump underperforming with the suburban base cost him 2020.

PA - Trump went from +.73% (2016) to -1.17% or a total change of -1.9%.

There was no Green (heavy D) or Constitution (heavy R) in 2020. Biden likely picked up the net of these 28K votes. This likely explains about .4% (28K/7M) of the 1.9% swing. The Libertarian vote decreased by 1.25% in 2020. Like most "independents", they normally lean R 60-40% so a normal R would have picked up .25% here. At most, the 3rd party underperformance in 2020 negatively impacted Trump in the .15% to .20% range. It wasn't enough to flip PA.

AZ - Trump went +3.5% to -.3% or a change of -3.8%. Biden likely gained gained the entirety of the Green/Constitution vote (roughly 1%). A typical R would have probably benefited between about .6% from Libertarians underpeforming. The impact of the 3rd party underperformance (.4%) was likely enough to flip AZ to the Ds but it was only a small percentage of the 3.8%. Ultimately Trump underperformed in the "red" areas of Maricopa outside of Phoenix and if he did the same as 2016 there, he wins AZ by over a point.

MI - Trump went +.23% to -2.78%. Same analysis, Biden picks up .55-.6% from net of Green/Constitutional and a typical R would have picked up about .5% of the Libertarian underpefromance. The lack of 3rd parties pushed Biden closer to victory in MI but main driver was elsewhere (see Detroit suburban counties)

GA - Trump went +5.13 to -.23%. Biden would have picked up .1% from Green Party but a typical R would have likely picked up .3% from Libertarian.

WI - Trump went +.77% to -.63%. Biden would have gained about .7% from net of Green/,Constitution and a typical R would have gained about .5% from Libertarian. Again, it helped Biden but by itself, not enough to flip state.

Conclusion - The underperformance of 3rd parties was probably enough to flip AZ but it wasnt main reason why Trump lost. It helped Biden in PA, MI, and WI but not enough to flip those states by itself. It likely helped Trump in GA.
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But you're assuming where those 3rd party votes went and that they followed the norm from prior elections. They clearly didn't. Those voters that normally went 3rd party were likely turned off by Trump and voted Biden this time. You're overcomplicating it.
 
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AM64 said:
How deep did the audits go? For example, excess ballots were sent because voter rolls don't get cleared out when someone moves. Was there any effort to verify that the people currently living at an address were the only ones voting from an address? How would you do that in the first place if you didn't know the previous occupants had moved and removed them from the registry because they no longer live there? How do you think a poll worker scanning thousands of ballots verifies a signature without being an expert on the subject? There are so many holes in mail in voting that it's criminal it was ever instituted.
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Funny it’s been used in deep red Utah without any complaints for a decade. Vote by mail leaned red in FL too until 2020. Not a peep from the critics for years.

In the case of errant ballots sent to an address, the fraudster would have to know what the signature of that person looks like in order to forge it. Then you are talking about multiple forgeries good enough to pass verification. Also, said voters are tracked to ensure multiple votes for one person weren’t cast OR that they don’t cast one by mail then try to show up in person for a second vote. In which case the fraudster would have to hope the real person didn’t also cast a ballot and their signature looked better than the real persons.

While I do agree that voter rolls need to be updated on a regular basis I don’t see it as some massive problem that can swing an election. Not as much as purges that prevent eligible voters from casting a ballot without any notification.

PA recently enacted automatic voter registration when you get your ID updated. Seems like a small but simple step any state could take to keep their rolls up to date.
 
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BenGrimm said:
Funny it’s been used in deep red Utah without any complaints for a decade. Vote by mail leaned red in FL too until 2020. Not a peep from the critics for years.

In the case of errant ballots sent to an address, the fraudster would have to know what the signature of that person looks like in order to forge it. Then you are talking about multiple forgeries good enough to pass verification. Also, said voters are tracked to ensure multiple votes for one person weren’t cast OR that they don’t cast one by mail then try to show up in person for a second vote. In which case the fraudster would have to hope the real person didn’t also cast a ballot and their signature looked better than the real persons.

While I do agree that voter rolls need to be updated on a regular basis I don’t see it as some massive problem that can swing an election. Not as much as purges that prevent eligible voters from casting a ballot without any notification.

PA recently enacted automatic voter registration when you get your ID updated. Seems like a small but simple step any state could take to keep their rolls up to date.
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Republicans are fundamentally a minority party and anti-democratic. They can't win if eligible voters vote in high numbers. So they do all they can to limit voting. They've made that abundantly clear with their actions, from gerrymandering to voter roll purges.
 
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AM64 said:
How deep did the audits go? For example, excess ballots were sent because voter rolls don't get cleared out when someone moves. Was there any effort to verify that the people currently living at an address were the only ones voting from an address? How would you do that in the first place if you didn't know the previous occupants had moved and removed them from the registry because they no longer live there? How do you think a poll worker scanning thousands of ballots verifies a signature without being an expert on the subject? There are so many holes in mail in voting that it's criminal it was ever instituted.
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Signature verification is a dangerous joke--something Republicans ginned up to cheat people out of their votes. Anybody who thinks real people are supposed to sit down and examine ballots one by one to compare the signatures of voters is insane: I can't think of a more absurd idea. It would take forevever and there would be a million bad decisions, as people don't sign their names the same way every time. And if a computer did it you'd have the same problem.

At the end of the day it's up to state election officials to attest to the validity of votes. If they are satisfied, then we all should be satisfied. Everyone has always been satisfied except for the hanging chad fiasco in Florida--and the corrupt Supreme Court decision that followed--that surely cheated Al Gore out of the presidency. You want a real stolen election? That was surely it. There should have been a full recount and there wasn't. Of course the punch-hole ballot was a stupid idea to begin with--and then to not count hanging chads because they weren't fully punched and dropped when it was obvious who the citizen was voting for was a freakin' disgrace--real cheating.

There are imperfections in our system, to be sure, starting with the fact that states use different voting procedures--but at the end of the days we've all accepted the outcomes until the vile, corrupt gangster came along and further poisoned itsy bitsy MAGA brains.
 
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