The disney insanity continues

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allvol123 said:
Why would it be unwound? Are you saying other companies shouldn’t get these opportunities? Just particular ones?
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No clue what you're saying. Do you think there should be special incentives to spur economic growth. Yes or no? That's what his was, that's what Trump's tax abatement s were, that why South Carolina paid for BMW's sewage/water infrastructure and gave them a pass.on property taxes.

And Disney's deal is much sweeter that the ones mentioned above. You have a private company actually willing to pay for EVERYTHING the local governments or state would normally pay for in exchange for not having to go through local red tape that would massively slow down every project they do. That's why a Republican governor signed to create it.

It's interesting this situation upsets DeSantis so much. If this is so much better for Florida he should have been on top of this day one if he's truly serving the people's best interests. He darn sure shouldn't have taken $100k from Disney's Pac if they're truly ripping off his citizens.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Nobody else has Trump's deal. Nobody else has BMW's deal. Nobody else has Ford's deal. Nobody else has Nissan's deal. They're all different.
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You are saying only Disney’s is being unwound. Considering they are the only one with that deal, how could anyone else’s be undone. They are the only one that has it.
 
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allvol123 said:
You are saying only Disney’s is being unwound. Considering they are the only one with that deal, how could anyone else’s be undone. They are the only one that has it.
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Think about what you're saying... What if SC went in and said, we dint like BMW, were backing out of whatever deal we had with them? Those deals involve tax abatements and other concessions that last decades.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Think about what you're saying... What if SC went in and said, we dint like BMW, were backing out of whatever deal we had with them? Those deals involve tax abatements and other concessions that last decades.
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Backing out would assume there was an arrangement where there was agreed to termination date and then you ended it prior to that date.

If the Florida legislation wants to open this type of deal for any company, I’m all for it.

Otherwise, Disney had a deal no one else in Florida had access to. I’m ok with it being terminated.
 
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allvol123 said:
Backing out would assume there was an arrangement where there was agreed to termination date and then you ended it prior to that date.

If the Florida legislation wants to open this type of deal for any company, I’m all for it.

Otherwise, Disney had a deal no one else in Florida had access to. I’m ok with it being terminated.
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And what do you think the ramifications will be and how will it benefit Florida?
 
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allvol123 said:
Backing out would assume there was an arrangement where there was agreed to termination date and then you ended it prior to that date.

If the Florida legislation wants to open this type of deal for any company, I’m all for it.

Otherwise, Disney had a deal no one else in Florida had access to. I’m ok with it being terminated.
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Whatever you say Chief. Nissan had a deal nobody else in TN had access to decades ago. If TN had gone after Nissan, they wouldn't be bringing in the businesses they are now and have for the last few years. Cut your nose off to spite your face all you want.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Whatever you say Chief. Nissan had a deal nobody else in TN had access to decades ago. If TN had gone after Nissan, they wouldn't be bringing in the businesses they are now and have for the last few years. Cut your nose off to spite your face all you want.
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So you’re saying these deals create jobs but you only want certain businesses to get these deals?
 
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MurphyVol said:
And what do you think the ramifications will be and how will it benefit Florida?
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I think it will neither benefit nor harm Florida.

Disney isn’t moving. Disney will likely pay more taxes and the same services that were performed previously by Reed, will now be performed by the county at a more expensive and less efficient rate.
 
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allvol123 said:
I think it will neither benefit nor harm Florida.

Disney isn’t moving. Disney will likely pay more taxes and the same services that were performed previously by Reed, will now be performed by the county at a more expensive and less efficient rate.
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Agreed. I would think the main result would be higher prices at Disney, which would effect folks visiting from out of state more than Floridians
 
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allvol123 said:
If they create jobs why would you want them restricted?
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Hypothetical numbers: If I offer 20k per employee in moving expenses to Nissan employees who relocate to TN and the company expects to create an additional 1000 jobs in addition to those numbers, do i get the same economic benefit by extending the same offer John's Transmission and Exhaust, who expects to create an additional 4 jobs?

Edit: what if I say the 3 year construction of Nissan hq will employee a thousand more and produce even more revenue while John's Transmission will be leasing an existing garage?
 
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MurphyVol said:
What burden? They're funding the burden now, this will turn it over to the counties. Disney currently maintains it's own roads, provides it own power, wastewater treatment. Orange county would be responsible for this starting in 2023. It appears they'd also have to assume the $1 bil in debts that Reedy Creek currently has.
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But they're sticking it to Disney for not toeing the line. Desantis and his lap dogs in Tallahassee aren't going to foot the bill, what do they care?
 
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VolStrom said:
Really? So they would raise taxes on the average Joe to cover this instead of Disney? Yeah, sure they would.
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Uh. You think Disney is going to keep paying for roads, fire, police, water treatment and a $2b bond out of the goodness of their little mouse hearts?
 
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clarksvol00 said:
Hypothetical numbers: If I offer 20k per employee in moving expenses to Nissan employees who relocate to TN and the company expects to create an additional 1000 jobs in addition to those numbers, do i get the same economic benefit by extending the same offer John's Transmission and Exhaust, who expects to create an additional 4 jobs?

Edit: what if I say the 3 year construction of Nissan hq will employee a thousand more and produce even more revenue while John's Transmission will be leasing an existing garage.
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If they both produce a gain, why can’t they have access to the same offer?

Do the 4 employees at John’s tear up as many roads and consume as many other state services as the 1000 at Nissan?

Again, if this is great, why restrict it?
 
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allvol123 said:
If they both produce a gain, why can’t they have access to the same offer?

Do the 4 employees at John’s tear up as many roads and consume as many other state services as the 1000 at Nissan?

Again, if this is great, why restrict it?
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It's called a cost-benefit analysis.
 
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allvol123 said:
Why are you so certain John’s won’t grow into a national chain with headquarters where they started, employing another 250 people?
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I'm willing to take the risk that Nissan will do better than John's Transmission.

Edit: if your business acumen tells you that it's a good idea to spend 20k per employee to relocate a transmission shop from CA to TN to lease a garage, please warn me before I buy stock in your company.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Can you bring 80,000 jobs to the state? If so then you probably can.

Reedy Creek, signed into law by a Republican governor, supported by conservatives for half a century suddenly makes no sense. Strange the sudden turn of events.

I'm curious what numbers have been laid out in terms of economic benefit to the state? I swear I can't find the data they've provided anywhere.
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Folks are acting like this deal happened in a vacuum and isn't fair to other businesses. It was totally fair until Desantis got his feelings hurt. Now it's a travesty that this was ever allowed to occur.

Sucks to be a part of the constituencies that have to foot the bill to "fix" something that wasn't broken.
 
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