The disney insanity continues

[Dergibvol]

Is John’s doing poorly if they aren’t doing what Nissan is doing?

If the concept is good, let it run.

Again, if this is great, open the concept up to anyone in Florida. Buy land, create your own little sustainable kingdom.

If not, then take it away from Disney.

Over 1800 of them in the state.

 

[allvol123]

Do you really think Disney isn't going to have the local government in there back pocket? Honest question here. What happens if Reedy Creek decided to sell all its assets to Disney for $1 and voted to make it happen. Then let the billion in bonds and no assets transfer to Orange County. Then Disney, now having gained access to all the assets, turns around and offers to Orange County to assist with the governmental services at a high rate. Note, I don't known if it's feasible, but I'm sure a 200 billion entity isn't going to lie down and has a ton of attorneys figuring this out. I think the legislature and DeSantis messed up here and before Summer of 2023 this will all blow over and go back to what it is today.

Oh yea. Your local government being greased by them is quite possible. But it is probably a fine line. How much can you load onto your voters and get re-elected?

 

[allvol123]

Over 1800 of them in the state.

1800 what?

 

[Dergibvol]

1800 what?

Special districts.

 

[allvol123]

Special districts.

What does that mean? There are other districts where there is a company runs the government services of an area?

 

[MurphyVol]

Have they been paying a sales tax to Orange County? Hotel taxes? Property taxes to Orange County?

Every time Disney wants to put up a new building, renovate something, etc. Permits will now be required. I am confident the local county government can figure out a way collect taxes from their newest arrival.

Yes, yes, yes to your first 3 questions.

They pay around $100 mil per year to Orange County. Around $10 mil per year to Osceola in property taxes.

Disney pays more in taxes than the next 10 highesr Orange county taxpayers combined. Approximately $46 million of those funds go directly to education.

Disney generated approximately 33 percent of the Tourist Development Taxes collected in Orange County and approximately 24 percent of these taxes in Osceola County

Disney paid or collected more than $495 million in state sales, use and communications taxes and local resort taxes for the surrounding communities last year

They pay the Reedy Creek taxes ON TOP of this to provide from their own infrastructure, roads, police, fire dept, sewer, power. So, they pay all the taxes anyone else would without requiring the same services everyone else would.

What DeSantis wants to do is transfer the $105 mil they pay Reedy Creek to the taxpayers and transfer the $1 bil in debt Reedy has to the taxpayers

I'm sure the crack team of county commissioners is totally ready to take all this on along with the management of 30 square miles of infrastructure. .

So again, tell me how this is good or even a wash for Florida residents?

 

[allvol123]

Yes, yes, yes to your first 3 questions.

They pay around $100 mil per year to Orange County. Around $10 mil per year to Osceola in property taxes.

Disney pays more in taxes than the next 10 highesr Orange county taxpayers combined. Approximately $46 million of those funds go directly to education.

Disney generated approximately 33 percent of the Tourist Development Taxes collected in Orange County and approximately 24 percent of these taxes in Osceola County

Disney paid or collected more than $495 million in state sales, use and communications taxes and local resort taxes for the surrounding communities last year

They pay the Reedy Creek taxes ON TOP of this to provide from their own infrastructure, roads, police, fire dept, sewer, power. So, they pay all the taxes anyone else would without requiring the same services everyone else would.

What DeSantis wants to do is transfer the $105 mil they pay Reedy Creek to the taxpayers and transfer the $1 bil in debt Reedy has to the taxpayers

I'm sure the crack team of county commissioners is totally ready to take all this on along with the management of 30 square miles of infrastructure. .

So again, tell me how this is good or even a wash for Florida residents?

Didn’t know that.

This appears to be your source.

Find Out How Much Walt Disney World Pays in Taxes - Disney Every Day

 

[Dergibvol]

What does that mean? There are other districts where there is a company runs the government services of an area?

I'm not looking up all 1800, but I'd bet Disney isn't the only one. If we are asking why Disney doesn't have to play by the same rules, why do other special districts also get special privileges. Hinestly its the way the world works. The more you have the easier it is to get what you want.

 

[Dergibvol]

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[allvol123]

I'm not looking up all 1800, but I'd bet Disney isn't the only one. If we are asking why Disney doesn't have to play by the same rules, why do other special districts also get special privileges. Hinestly its the way the world works. The more you have the easier it is to get what you want.

Not asking for 1800. Who is 1?

 

[Dergibvol]

Not asking for 1800. Who is 1?

http://specialdistrictreports.floridajobs.org/webreports/websitelist.aspx here's the list.

 

[MurphyVol]

Didn’t know that.

This appears to be your source.

Find Out How Much Walt Disney World Pays in Taxes - Disney Every Day

I assume their source is from the series of studies done by Central Florida. They are actually somewhat dated and the numbers are probably much higher now.

I think Epcot alone is assessed at half a billion dollars.

I'm sure this is all about good economics for Florida taxpayers and just a coincidence that Disney's CEO recently disagreed with the Gov. I'm sure if this was Biden doing this exact same thing to Chick FIL A you'd look past partisan politics and see the tremendous benefit of transferring $100imill to the taxpayers in one of the highest inflationary periods in history.

 

[Dergibvol]

I assume their source is from the series of studies done by Central Florida. They are actually somewhat dated and the numbers are probably much higher now.

I think Epcot alone is assessed at half a billion dollars.

I'm sure this is all about good economics for Florida taxpayers and just a coincidence that Disney's CEO recently disagreed with the Gov. I'm sure if this was Biden doing this exact same thing to Chick FIL A you'd look past partisan politics and see the tremendous benefit of transferring $100imill to the taxpayers in one of the highest inflationary periods in history.

What Biden needs to do is mandate Chik Fil A be open on Sunday. Now that is something I could get behind! Waffle fries. Nuggets. On a Sunday after Church. Just the way God would have wanted it.

 

[allvol123]

I assume their source is from the series of studies done by Central Florida. They are actually somewhat dated and the numbers are probably much higher now.

I think Epcot alone is assessed at half a billion dollars.

I'm sure this is all about good economics for Florida taxpayers and just a coincidence that Disney's CEO recently disagreed with the Gov. I'm sure if this was Biden doing this exact same thing to Chick FIL A you'd look past partisan politics and see the tremendous benefit of transferring $100imill to the taxpayers in one of the highest inflationary periods in history.

My intent was not to suggest whether this was better financially for one entity or another.

More so about whether they should get a treatment that no one else is allowed. Perhaps I have been wrong about that.

 

[MurphyVol]

My intent was not to suggest whether this was better financially for one entity or another.

More so about whether they should get a treatment that no one else is allowed. Perhaps I have been wrong about that.

That's about one of the most decent and honest responses I've read on here in a long time. Kudos to you and your emotional intelligence. Not being able to have civil discussions and share information is one of the things killing this country.

 

[RockyTop85]

If they arent paying taxes and then they are what is the net effect?

They pay millions on property taxes, there was a big lawsuit where they got a couple million in refunds because they had been overcharged. I suspect they pay sales tax, but it’s been a while since I’ve been.

 

[Dergibvol]

My intent was not to suggest whether this was better financially for one entity or another.

More so about whether they should get a treatment that no one else is allowed. Perhaps I have been wrong about that.

100% agree. I hate seeing how billionaire owners get tax credits and other incentives to build new stadiums. Illitch here in MI got a new baseball park and hockey arena. Not the exact same but those millions could've helped a ton of small businesses but those small businesses don't have the name brand recognition. Yet.

 

[RockyTop85]

I'll let tnvolnavy answer that in his own words. Call it Exhibit A.

Can you see the homophobia and hate? That's what DeSantis is knowingly playing on.

Go back a few pages for some more gems to further this discussion.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Yes, yes, yes to your first 3 questions.

They pay around $100 mil per year to Orange County. Around $10 mil per year to Osceola in property taxes.

Disney pays more in taxes than the next 10 highesr Orange county taxpayers combined. Approximately $46 million of those funds go directly to education.

Disney generated approximately 33 percent of the Tourist Development Taxes collected in Orange County and approximately 24 percent of these taxes in Osceola County

Disney paid or collected more than $495 million in state sales, use and communications taxes and local resort taxes for the surrounding communities last year

They pay the Reedy Creek taxes ON TOP of this to provide from their own infrastructure, roads, police, fire dept, sewer, power. So, they pay all the taxes anyone else would without requiring the same services everyone else would.

What DeSantis wants to do is transfer the $105 mil they pay Reedy Creek to the taxpayers and transfer the $1 bil in debt Reedy has to the taxpayers

I'm sure the crack team of county commissioners is totally ready to take all this on along with the management of 30 square miles of infrastructure. .

So again, tell me how this is good or even a wash for Florida residents?

How much tax would be collected on 40 square miles of central Florida homes and businesses if Walt Disney World wasn’t occupying that land instead?

 

[NCFisher]

Even assuming that “quasi-Marxian” can apply to a profit-driven free market system, state prescription of culture and norms is not western. It’s illiberal at best, and authoritarian at worst.

In the instance of public schools, we're literally discussing the diktats of state forcing illiberal gender/sex ideology (and CRT tenets) upon children. In the instance of public and private school, I maintain that it is abusive, illogical mind-screwing of children with long-term implications to the child and society. And that market or no and notwithstanding what a portion of private school parents may want, it should not stand. One can only disagree if one disagrees it is abuse, or uncertain that it is which is your position.

Defending the argument that is illogical and anti-scientific, therefore psychologically and physiologically harmful:
We're binary XX and XY. You may change appearance to affect being the other sex - or poly something - but you will never be a menstruating or ejaculating "person". Like not being racist isn't enough - one must be anti-racist - the bourgeoning orthodoxy demands gender and pronoun affirmation. It is not enough to call Jimmy, "Jill", but refer to him as her - or a singular person as plural non-binary - you must, despite your religious objection or right to observe immutable biology. Otherwise is is gender discrimination. The state is effectively imposing a government approved dialect upon admin, teachers, and students. For the moment, coercion appears as (but not exclusively) tacit prodding for PK-12 students, mandatory for adults, while some portion of universities actively demand it of students.

I've already mentioned entire school systems have adopted a privacy policy that assumes autonomy from the parents and essentially has a double-life lived at school; DC Public Schools is an example of this.
The District of Columbia Public Schools issued guidance (“DCPS Guidance”) noting that “students may choose to have their parents participate in the transition process, but parental participation is not required.” The guidance further 3 recommends different developmentally appropriate protocols depending on grade level. The DCPS Guidance suggests that the school work with a young student’s family to identify appropriate steps to support the student, but recommends working closely with older students prior to notification of family. The guidance also provides a model planning document with key issues to discuss with the student or the student’s family.
From Obama's DOE, which was the accelerant for broad-based imposition of gender/sex ideology: https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/oese/oshs/emergingpractices.pdf This is a usurpation of parental rights by the at-best illiberal state.

But, it's worse than that. The National Association of Independent Schools:
A nearly hour-long training workshop at NAIS’ flagship conference in 2020, reviewed by Breitbart News, features a discussion about how to talk to kids about “gender, and sexuality, and identity,” including how to talk to kids in Pre-K about “their bodies,” “penises and vaginas,” and “what they feel like inside, do they feel like a boy or a girl.” The conference covers how to teach sex, sexuality, and “gender identity” from Pre-K to Grade 8.

“Starting in Pre-K we talk about their bodies, the parts that they were born with, about penises and vaginas and whether they make somebody a boy or girl. But also their feelings, what do they feel like inside, do they feel like a boy or a girl? What does their head say? Do their heart and their body match up,” the lecturer explains. Exclusive Footage — Private Schools Nation-Wide Pushing ‘Queer Inclusive’ Curriculum, Trans Ideology Starting in Pre-K

I consider this abuse, private or public. This is inducing doubts - psychological shotgunning - about gender/sexuality at ages children may still be peeing the bed. The same cartoon Gender Unicorn is widely used in K-onward public schools and is effectively pull-advocacy. Small wonder that:
According to Oregon’s Department of Education Sexual Health and School Health Specialist, Ely Sanders, “We have more and more kindergartners coming out and identifying.” Parents opposed to the plan say this is proof that the whole thing is ridiculous. They claim it’s ridiculous to have five-year old’s who can’t tie their shoes, can barely read, and can’t even remember their home address, making life-changing decisions about identifying as the opposite sex or as a non-gender. What Is The Gender Unicorn And How Is It Being Used In Schools?

The American College of Pediatrics has an array of articles on the psychological and physiological abuse:
8. Conditioning children into believing a lifetime of chemical and surgical impersonation of the opposite sex is normal and healthful is child abuse. Endorsing gender discordance as normal via public education and legal policies will confuse children and parents, leading more children to present to “gender clinics” where they will be given puberty-blocking drugs. This, in turn, virtually ensures they will “choose” a lifetime of carcinogenic and otherwise toxic cross-sex hormones, and likely consider unnecessary surgical mutilation of their healthy body parts as young adults.
https://acpeds.org/assets/imported/9.14.17-Gender-Ideology-Harms-Children_updated-MC.pdf
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They challenge the emotional cudgels used by this activist pull movement- such as risk of depression, suicide, and need for affirmation - for not indulging these most often transitory childhood insecurities, with everything other than psychological counseling. Which 20 illiberal, not Western-like states and a host of municipalities have banned.

CRT tenets in PK-12 mirrors this coercive, government-issue dialect. They're all using the same source material from the same leftist activist groups tailoring and peddling it to education officials.

 

[MurphyVol]

How much tax would be collected on 40 square miles of central Florida homes and businesses if Walt Disney World wasn’t occupying that land instead?

You tell me? Not sure what the draw would have been to that region of swamp if Disney had not built there.

Is that what DeSantis has planned? I'm sure it's something he's reviewed in depth and will help the citizens Iin his state and isn't any type of retaliation or political stunt. That's why he's worked on this complex economic issue for years, correct?

 

[luthervol]

Progress isn't always for the good. Especially when you're standing two feet from the edge of a cliff. You don't move forward just to say you're moving forward. Sometimes you need to stop and think about the direction you're going in and reassess if that's the direction you really want to go in. That's where people like you fail, because you're so intent on going "forward" that you don't mind jumping off that cliff.


Sometimes, the best progress is in regress.

I sort of agree with you, but if you define progress as moving in the desired direction, then you are not headed off a cliff.
If you are moving in the wrong direction, then that is not really progress at all.

 

[Weezer]

I sort of agree with you, but if you define progress as moving in the desired direction, then you are not headed off a cliff.
If you are moving in the wrong direction, then that is not really progress at all.

Sometimes people think they're moving in the right direction only to find out they were wrong. And some people have a very hard time admitting they were wrong.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Analysis: DeSantis vs. Disney: Homophobia and hate are beneath the surface of high-minded, right-wing talking points - CNN
Homophobia and hate are right underneath the surface of the high-minded talking points about "parental rights in education."

Horse feathers.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Of course CNN would say this. So how is what Desantis is doing homophobic?

It's not. Luther just trolling again.