The disney insanity continues

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VolStrom said:
So it's no big deal to rescind the agreement then, is it?
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It's a huge deal. They basically agree to a double taxation scenario to run their own municipal district. It's honestly almost like a reverse incentive program where to corporation pays full property taxes and asks for no services.

I can't believe DeSantis is dumb enough to see this through. It has to just be a ploy to get on Fox. I'm guessing after the one year is up they'll quietly release a statement saying "after careful review we have decided it's in the best interest of our citizens to let Reedy Creek continue..blah, blah"

Surely he can't really be using a strategy of moving $100 mil annually in voluntary Disney payments over to the taxpayers.
 
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utvolpj said:
The people making up the increased costs probably think it will be
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Don't the local governments have the ability to tax Disney once this agreement ends? If it cost the local governments more money to supply Disney with police, fire, etc then Disney can pay a tax to support those services. This should be a zero sum game if Disney doesn't save any taxes and don't need to pay for the overhead of services.
 
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VolStrom said:
Don't the local governments have the ability to tax Disney once this agreement ends? If it cost the local governments more money to supply Disney with police, fire, etc then Disney can pay a tax to support those services. This should be a zero sum game if Disney doesn't save any taxes and don't need to pay for the overhead of services.
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They already pay all those taxes
 
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luthervol said:
And some people deny that the movement is in the correct direction and fight it in every way possible, but once the desired destination is reached and is obviously the correct place to be, the ones who fought so hard against it deny they ever did.
They have a very hard time admitting they were so firmly planted on the wrong side of history.
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I can definitely see where you have a problem admitting you're wrong.
 
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Vol423 said:
So, let's just get the facts straight. DeSantis passed legislation, or the Florida legislature, whose members were elected by the citizens of Florida, passed the legislation?
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It is a distinction without difference. The legislation was requested by DeSantis and passed by the legislature for the purpose of punishing/silencing a political opponent. How can one support this?
 
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VolStrom said:
Pay all what taxes? They need to pay whatever it takes to offer the services they need for their own property.
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They already pay property taxes and ON TOP OF THAT they fund their own municipality.

They currently pay full Orange county property taxes and ask for no services in return. This bill will have Orange county providing Disney's services at no cost to Disney. Disney will continue paying their current property taxes and will stop spending to provide their own water, power, sewage, police, fire, roads, etc.
 
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VolStrom said:
Maybe when the bill is signed into law, Disney's new CEO will negotiate a settlement with the Florida governor.
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It should never get that far. The government shouldn't be in the business of punishing those that speak out against it. I don't know why this is such a foreign concept.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
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The sign.... When...... You.... Have...... Literally....... Nothing......
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Giving Disney a special taxing district isn’t an incentive? No problem then. Disney should be fine with it going away.
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Actually, they should if the county was competent enough to manage it.

If Orange county could manage the municipal district in the same fashion it's been run, Disney would save appx $100 million per year and transfer $1billion in debt to the tax payers in Orange County.

Disney has been suspiciously quiet in the matter so far.

Orange county has already said they want no part of it and estimate they'll need to raise property taxes 20%
 
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InVOLuntary said:
The sign.... When...... You.... Have...... Literally....... Nothing......
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You support a bill you haven't read. You keep on saying I support Nancy Pelosi when I clearly never have. The only conclusion I can reach is that you're stupid or dishonest. I don't really care, but it's pointless to argue with someone who is either. Cheers.
 
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MurphyVol said:
They already pay property taxes and ON TOP OF THAT they fund their own municipality.

They currently pay full Orange county property taxes and ask for no services in return. This bill will have Orange county providing Disney's services at no cost to Disney. Disney will continue paying their current property taxes and will stop spending to provide their own water, power, sewage, police, fire, roads, etc.
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All I can say is, if any county politician allows Disney to walk away from all of their services with the expectation of those services being free, I'm shutting down their services. No water, no sewer, no electricity, no pothole repair, no roads being repaved. Disney aren't going to walk away from their multi billion dollar theme parks. Somehow Universal Studios makes it work, Lego Land makes it work etc. You're just raising a stink about a nonexistent problem.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Actually, they should if the county was competent enough to manage it.

If Orange county could manage the municipal district in the same fashion it's been run, Disney would save appx $100 million per year and transfer $1billion in debt to the tax payers in Orange County.

Disney has been suspiciously quiet in the matter so far.

Orange county has already said they want no part of it and estimate they'll need to raise property taxes 20%
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I've noticed that about Disney. The big advantage was they could build unfettered by local bureaucracy and could safe guard the land on their own. I don't know how much building they have left to do and if they care about this arrangement anymore.
 
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VolStrom said:
Don't the local governments have the ability to tax Disney once this agreement ends? If it cost the local governments more money to supply Disney with police, fire, etc then Disney can pay a tax to support those services. This should be a zero sum game if Disney doesn't save any taxes and don't need to pay for the overhead of services.
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It'll cost more because currently Disney doesn't have all the local politicians getting a kickback for every little improvement project. Disney does have a sweet deal, but if FLA is smart, they will find a way to bow out of this stupid change.
 
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VolStrom said:
All I can say is, if any county politician allows Disney to walk away from all of their services with the expectation of those services being free, I'm shutting down their services. No water, no sewer, no electricity, no pothole repair, no roads being repaved. Disney aren't going to walk away from their multi billion dollar theme parks. Somehow Universal Studios makes it work, Lego Land makes it work etc. You're just raising a stink about a nonexistent problem.
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Disney is paying more than those other parks. They pay for those services in tax money and then they provide the services themselves or by contract. This could really screw the residents and municipalities.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
It should never get that far. The government shouldn't be in the business of punishing those that speak out against it. I don't know why this is such a foreign concept.
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Maybe because red states are sick and tired of woke politics condemning everything that happens in a red state, whether justified or not.
 
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